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    spvp - state of the game

    Might be some info tonight:

    http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/...onathan-sharp/

    Or some question dodging :P Interesting none the less =)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tea View Post
    Might be some info tonight:

    http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/...onathan-sharp/

    Or some question dodging :P Interesting none the less =)
    Eh, I don't think this really means anything. The guy who's in charge of looking after sPvP is going to be talking to a few top players. That's great, but what has been done in sPvP since release hasn't really changed anything. The only attempt to get more people to play sPvP was introducing daily/monthlys, and the rewards for those were crap. PvP salvage kits that cost a few glory... for the monthly? Seriously? I think it's the first time I've straight up trashed a reward item.

    sPvP needs more modes (team deathmatch comes to mind) and a ranking system that doesn't throw skilled players in with pugs to get slaughtered. I hardly think the ANet sPvP lead needs to talk to the top players in the game to figure that out. sPvP is bleeding and dying, queue times for games get longer and the number of people in hot-joins (already laughably low for a huge scale game like GW2) gets lower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nightshark View Post
    Eh, I don't think this really means anything. The guy who's in charge of looking after sPvP is going to be talking to a few top players. That's great, but what has been done in sPvP since release hasn't really changed anything. The only attempt to get more people to play sPvP was introducing daily/monthlys, and the rewards for those were crap. PvP salvage kits that cost a few glory... for the monthly? Seriously? I think it's the first time I've straight up trashed a reward item.

    sPvP needs more modes (team deathmatch comes to mind) and a ranking system that doesn't throw skilled players in with pugs to get slaughtered. I hardly think the ANet sPvP lead needs to talk to the top players in the game to figure that out. sPvP is bleeding and dying, queue times for games get longer and the number of people in hot-joins (already laughably low for a huge scale game like GW2) gets lower.
    Well seeing as how skilled =/= high ranked that'd be difficult... i'm only rank 15 or so but i've butchered rank 30's in 1v1s over a capture point, so such rankings wouldn't save ALL the low rank people from being butchered...

    And you do realize you get tourney tickets, a large amount of glory, a good amount of PvP experience and some gold chests too right? The monthly rewards were pretty good, although i wasn't that happy to get 5 PvP salvage kits because i don't have anywhere to put all of those!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Durzlla View Post
    Well seeing as how skilled =/= high ranked that'd be difficult... i'm only rank 15 or so but i've butchered rank 30's in 1v1s over a capture point, so such rankings wouldn't save ALL the low rank people from being butchered...

    And you do realize you get tourney tickets, a large amount of glory, a good amount of PvP experience and some gold chests too right? The monthly rewards were pretty good, although i wasn't that happy to get 5 PvP salvage kits because i don't have anywhere to put all of those!!
    The current system isn't even really a ranking system (even though it's called rank). It's a crap linear progression and encourages team "point whoring", which actually causes teams to lose more often than not. Makes me want to rage quit games when I see my entire team standing on the beach waiting for it to cap and look over to see ONE guy from the other team neutralising the ruins.

    tPvP ranking match up would need a new system. I don't think it would be difficult to put in a system to track this, even if they needed to start collecting the data now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nightshark View Post
    The current system isn't even really a ranking system (even though it's called rank). It's a crap linear progression and encourages team "point whoring", which actually causes teams to lose more often than not. Makes me want to rage quit games when I see my entire team standing on the beach waiting for it to cap and look over to see ONE guy from the other team neutralising the ruins.

    tPvP ranking match up would need a new system. I don't think it would be difficult to put in a system to track this, even if they needed to start collecting the data now.
    I actually think tPvP is fine, sPvP makes me want to drop kick a baby into a blast furnace due to how stupid everyone seems to be in it... I mean the fact I can get Top Teammate revivals for rezzing one person, and I get top defender for killing one person on a point is ridiculous!!

    And a lot of the really good teams moved into paid tourniquet makin the random tournie more pug/newbie friendly.
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    They really need to put in a ladder system and observer mode. They sort of dropped the ball on this.

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    They really need to put in a ladder system and observer mode. They sort of dropped the ball on this.
    Which is frustrating because people have been asking and asking for those things since beta. =(

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    Which is frustrating because people have been asking and asking for those things since beta. =(
    And they keep answering and answering "We're working on it" people are just impatient lol
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    How long before it stops just being "You're impatient"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    How long before it stops just being "You're impatient"?
    i'd say february is when you can start saying, "Wtf Anet? You said we'd have an observer and ranking system!!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Durzlla View Post
    And they keep answering and answering "We're working on it" people are just impatient lol
    First and foremost it was "Release when it's ready". This is one the most basic things needed to push the game into the Esports category that was always talked about. They shouldn't have released the game without these IMO and I believe that it should have been priority next to bugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fernling306 View Post
    First and foremost it was "Release when it's ready". This is one the most basic things needed to push the game into the Esports category that was always talked about. They shouldn't have released the game without these IMO and I believe that it should have been priority next to bugs.
    I personally think it's a good thing they released it when they did, people were getting pissy, and the game was ready (for the most part) and they don't get all the info they need when it's in beta etc etc to make it an Esport.
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    When it kicks off with that big fat juicy prize money it will have been worth the wait.

    Besides, this time gave them a chance to work out any bugs or imbalances and gave us time to learn the classes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karizee View Post
    When it kicks off with that big fat juicy prize money it will have been worth the wait.

    Besides, this time gave them a chance to work out any bugs or imbalances and gave us time to learn the classes.
    Boom, you know how boring it would've been to watch back when everyone thought warriors and thieves were the only viable profs in the game? My god that would've been terrible...
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    When it kicks off with that big fat juicy prize money it will have been worth the wait.
    What juicy prize money? Gems? So once in a blue moon you'll win some gems? =D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    What juicy prize money? Gems? So once in a blue moon you'll win some gems? =D
    Actually, i'm pretty sure Anets big tournies (yearly?) have some prize money for the winner and second place, i could be mistaken though.... And the gems are for the paid tournies, which you need to play in order to get honor points, which will be used for the big tourney with the big juicey rewards. So essentially if you're a glorified bad ass in tPvP you'll get a bit of money, i'm pretty sure teh prize money will be made off of the failures of those who buy the tickets and lose a lot, the teams that are good wont really be losing much. if at all
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    To those who haven't watched it yet:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hByqoWsnz-I

    Seems like stuff will happen, just that it's taking a while(and too long).
    I don't like how they think around hotfixes, they got it all wrong in their priorities. Anyhow, they are aware that spvp is a dying community but when things are done they will try lure players back through marketing. I hope they return. I know I will check out the new features when it hits. Seems like december wont bring us more than balances... so it's just to enjoy christmas doing other things and hopefully january-february might be better. I do like that they promised one of them to be a pvp event patch.... will be interesting to see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tea View Post
    To those who haven't watched it yet:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hByqoWsnz-I

    Seems like stuff will happen, just that it's taking a while(and too long).
    I don't like how they think around hotfixes, they got it all wrong in their priorities. Anyhow, they are aware that spvp is a dying community but when things are done they will try lure players back through marketing. I hope they return. I know I will check out the new features when it hits. Seems like december wont bring us more than balances... so it's just to enjoy christmas doing other things and hopefully january-february might be better. I do like that they promised one of them to be a pvp event patch.... will be interesting to see.
    Personally the reason -I- have grown to despise sPvP is because Pugging in it is just UGH, it's like doing random BGs in WoW, people zerg from point to point and it just makes me want to punch a baby with how frustrating it is trying to play with mindless players... and then i can't tPvP because i can't find a group of players wanting to do it without doing it 100% or making me swap servers (i mean cmon, why would i need to swap servers when pvp is cross realm?), but i feel these are just more my personal issues... psyched for if/when they finally make a spectator mode, would love to watch some of the high up teams, would be a lot more fun then trying to bang my head against the wall to make me forget the stupid i experienced in PUG sPvP...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tea View Post
    Seems like december wont bring us more than balances...
    the ranking system looks like it will be in this month according to the call. and i personally like the way they have handled sPvP aside from leaving some bugs in too long. better to have sPvP now as it evolves than pining over it to be finally done so we can get to actually play it instead.

    highlights for me are:

    1. rankings
    2. spectator mode/private tourneys
    3. increased viable builds for professions
    4. expansion of options for glory
    5. profession balancing and bugs fixes this month

    all in all the future for sPvP and WvW looks bright. now if only they would penalize people (either a debuff that prevents you from participating in games for a while or something more drastic to deter this practice) that leave sPvP games early or log-off in WvW: if you can't stand the heat don't bother queuing my friend!
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    now if only they would penalize people (either a debuff that prevents you from participating in games for a while or something more drastic to deter this practice) that leave sPvP games early or log-off in WvW: if you can't stand the heat don't bother queuing my friend!
    Whatever the penalty would be, it surely can't be worse than being forced to actually stay in WvW.

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