mmmm thievery ^-^
mmmm thievery ^-^
You misinterpert my point out of fear again... Atheism is exactly the same as religion. Taoism is a religion with no god. So is confusionism. Why do you need a higher power to call it a religion. Hense so you can hide behind the law. Thats my point i was just trying to compare the two in logical terms. Atheism is still a belief system as is any other religion. Just because its defined as the idea of not following any does not mean you can use the law to benefit yourself. If it were called a religion would you be using the same arguements. It was just a comparrison vaguely but still you do have a belief system just like any other group of people. When you get that through your thick skull and see how its repression of a belief system by another the same way history has always played itself out you will see things clearer about whye so many people have an issue with the idea of changing the name to suit your means.
Last edited by Majad; 2012-11-30 at 08:25 PM.
the tree isn't 'christian' is is Pagan in roots
According to the Encyclopædia Britannica, "The use of evergreen trees, wreaths, and garlands to symbolize eternal life was a custom of the ancient Egyptians, Chinese, and Hebrews. Tree worship was common among the pagan Europeans and survived their conversion to Christianity in the Scandinavian customs of decorating the house and barn with evergreens at the New Year to scare away the devil and of setting up a tree for the birds during Christmastime."
As far as the american X-mas, it is owned by consumerism, not religion.
If you want a symbolism, or in 'Christian' terms, Idolatry, for this time of year, you have your nativity scene. Sad part is, most Christians don't understand that MOST of their culture, comes from what they'd consider cults; pagan rituals, co-opted to help convert societies into following their way. Of course, to be oblivious of these facts is helpful to the followings, and even harder to pay attention that crucifixes, statues of mary, huge crosses ... are all forms of idolatry, that their very book strongly opposes, but people like objects to pray to and with, instead of just being good in their heart, and to each other.
I'd feel not that someone was anti-religion if they wished me happy holidays, but holiday agnostic, willing to accept and respect the individuals they meet, and know that they may not follow the same traditions they do. Happy holidays to the jewish, the christians, the muslims, the athiests, the pagans, and everyone in between; and as an aside, to hell with the corporate machine trying to take away the true meaning of the holiday, to spend time with the ones you love, and spread good cheer to all for the sake of humanity; not for the sake of profits and/or religious pretext.
As an aside, to the thread-at-large, my wife asked me this when I mentioned this thread to her at lunch:
"If you're so worried about offending people that you would alter your speech to say, 'Holiday Tree' or 'Happy Holidays'... How do you feel about DADT in the military? Do you think that gay people should have to keep it to themselves for fear of offending straights?"
I sleep easier knowing that partisan politics, pettiness, and gamesmanship are the current defenders of my freedom... It's when I need political courage that I worry.