Brilliant idea to solve " LFR Loot " problems.

[Rielthas]

I will throw this out there then, for you, and for all others interested in the debate.

If you knew (i.e. there was statistical evidence to support it) that the LFR would have to become a better source of loot for casuals in order to stay strong, or even survive for the long term, would you consider supporting a better drop rate or one of the other ideas? Or consequently, would you say that the LFR should die if that's the only thing that would save it? I'm just wondering how many would be in support of their ideas if they knew that the future of the LFR depended on it?

[Luciferiuz]

I will throw this out there then, for you, and for all others interested in the debate.

If you knew (i.e. there was statistical evidence to support it) that the LFR would have to become a better source of loot for casuals in order to stay strong, or even survive for the long term, would you consider supporting a better drop rate or one of the other ideas? Or consequently, would you say that the LFR should die if that's the only thing that would save it? I'm just wondering how many would be in support of their ideas if they knew that the future of the LFR depended on it?

Well this is a loaded question.

If there was concise evidence that the current LFR system would lead to a loss of subs in excess of 1 million users then I would say change it.

But realistically, if more loot from LFR is what over a 10th of the playerbase needs in order to be interested - then I'm obviously playing this game for different reasons than most people.

I'd also support this if the gap between LFR gear and raid gear were higher, since I don't believe getting an "LFR set" should be a requirement for competitive raiding and we are too close to that as it is.

[PrairieChicken]

We should go back to the old system.

Taking guildies = Requires effort and communication = Therefore more reward

[Kagdar]

There is a small difference with not getting loot for a couple of weeks, and not getting loot for 6+ weeks.

Mail bracers from Ulduar on my shamy... never seen them drop during all the time it was current content. A lot of ppl i know have similar stories about various loot from vanilla raids too. There was no LFR in either of those time.

Rng is rng.

[Luciferiuz]

Mail bracers from Ulduar on my shamy... never seen them drop during all the time it was current content. A lot of ppl i know have similar stories about various loot from vanilla raids too. There was no LFR in either of those time.

Rng is rng.

Yeah my mage never got an epic offhand in Wrath until the ZA patch. Everything else was top tier, just no offhands.

[Kevyne-Shandris]

I will throw this out there then, for you, and for all others interested in the debate.

If you knew (i.e. there was statistical evidence to support it) that the LFR would have to become a better source of loot for casuals in order to stay strong, or even survive for the long term, would you consider supporting a better drop rate or one of the other ideas? Or consequently, would you say that the LFR should die if that's the only thing that would save it? I'm just wondering how many would be in support of their ideas if they knew that the future of the LFR depended on it?

LFR basically saved 25mans (which was on the decline before LFR), so it's not going away. It may also be the only way to save participation in normal/heroic raids too. That's because of the royal pain of manually getting a raid together.

If the population wants the gear their way -- even if it conflicts with Blizzard's loot philosophy -- Blizzard really only has two choices: adapt or live by the consequences (this is true with any feature in the game).

It's the gamers who decide in the end, so use the power well.

[Luciferiuz]

It may also be the only way to save participation in normal/heroic raids too.

I don't agree with this at all.

[Seranthor]

LOL, who he heck are you, and whats it to you if I get my twinkies or not? Maybe Blizzard giving an extra twinkie every now and again might be what saves wow - how do you know it won't be

But you are assuming wow needs 'saved'.. newsflash, if everyone of us that read this thread, everyone that posted in it all suddenly quit tomorrow... Wow would continue without the blink of an eye. Thats how much value you individually have.

[Kevyne-Shandris]

I don't agree with this at all.

Won't matter. Because if that's the trend gamers want in WoW, it will be.

It's called the power of the pocket book, and businesses understand it very well.

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But you are assuming wow needs 'saved'.. newsflash, if everyone of us that read this thread, everyone that posted in it all suddenly quit tomorrow... Wow would continue without the blink of an eye. Thats how much value you individually have.

That was the belief SOE had when EQ2 was the largest MMO, when players revolted.

25k subs today later, it's a lesson to not piss the individuals off.

[Ssateneth]

People won't be happy until they can get all the gear they want instantly and for free from a vendor that appears in front of them when they log in and get the perfect stats from each item.

[Napee]

I wish i could downvote this thread

[Luciferiuz]

Won't matter. Because if that's the trend gamers want in WoW, it will be.

It's called the power of the pocket book, and businesses understand it very well.

No I meant that I don't agree with your assumption that LFR may be the way to save participation in normal/heroic raids. This game will have raiders until the day it dies, even if they removed LFR today.

I agree that consumers can dictate the changes the game will go through to a certain extent, but not really on the scale you are implying. Otherwise there wouldn't be heroic modes since so few of the population gets to experience them.

Also, let's not bring SoE into this as if they are an intelligent company. Haven't they ruined like 4 mmos by now?

[Kevyne-Shandris]

No I meant that I don't agree with your assumption that LFR may be the way to save participation in normal/heroic raids. This game will have raiders until the day it dies, even if they removed LFR today.

It can, but not at the rates that would justify spending the extra time and dime on.

Just like on my realm. One of the largest guilds on the server can't even get their team to login on raid night. All those players and they can't even fill a 10 man. They're not even listed on Wowprogress with one boss down, yet. Most of the guilds on Shandris aren't raiding at all, and it's been plenty of time to gear out in even rep gear.

So, yeah, even normal/heroic raids are having problems getting enough players.

The guild system killed the raid system in the end.

[darklogrus]

The system needs a way to remember what drops it rewarded the player, otherwise I am never going to stop winning the same ring and back every other week. Nothing worse then a Boss with 4 possible upgrades rewarding you withe the same one every other week. Cape of Three Lanterns x3 to date and Light of the Cosmos x3 is just a waste.

[Luciferiuz]

Just like on my realm. One of the largest guilds on the server can't even get their team to login on raid night. All those players and they can't even fill a 10 man. They're not even listed on Wowprogress with one boss down, yet. Most of the guilds on Shandris aren't raiding at all, and it's been plenty of time to gear out in even rep gear.

You'll have to excuse me if I don't take anecdotal evidence about one backwater server as an indication of a fundamental problem.

[Kevyne-Shandris]

You'll have to excuse me if I don't take anecdotal evidence

Want proof?

http://www.wowprogress.com/realms/rank/us

73 out of 246 servers are worse (1/3 of ALL WoW realms).

And Blackrock is only #14 these days, having fallen royally from WotLK days, where it's not even meets a top ten server anymore in raid progression.

And this is with ReadID and Battletags now, too.

[Wheatley]

I like this new system, getting loot in LFR now depends only on just you being there, no one else can steal your loot, although RNG can be a bitch sometimes I'd prefer random over Jeff who needs it for his off spec with full heroic gear stealing your gear or guilds entering LFR in a group to need on loot for others then trading it if they win it.