I don't see many flaws with Dreary's post... it's the truth man.
They got Revan's robes wrong and his mask clips through the hood. Considering Revan is already in the game, they basically failed at copy/paste.
However... I was quoting another user which agrees 100% with whatever negativ is being posted about the game, be it that this robe is not exactly the robe from Revan in SWTOR and completely different than the robe from Revan in KOTOR... I just don't see the big deal about it. If that is a reason to not play the game or to point out how bad this game is... again... that's a minor problem in my point of view.
Groupfinder not filling up empty spots after some morons just leave the group is on my scale 10000times higher than something you may/ may not buy for real money but probably someone can explain to me how this is such a gamebreaker that everyone should stop playing and start boycotting Bioware from today onwards.
Why they were flawed, you have yet to provide any good reason for however.
Probably because copy & paste is done in most MMO's I know? So what? Why would you put any more effort into something which people still are going crazy about? They aren't even selling the robe, they put it in a new cartel packs along with tons of other "new" stuff and people are buying it. There are tons of people running around in that costume on my server and I doubt they would wear it if they had any issues with it.
However... I was pointing out copy & paste already existing in the game... the OP is talking about like it would be something new, another sign of how lazy Bioware is and how the game is doomed. That opinion is flawed however as I don't remember seeing him complaining about re-coloured speeders or anything else re-coloured when the game was released. Copy & Paste is a common way in MMO's to maximize output to a small cost of just applying another color.
Another thing which isn't pointed out however is that the cartel armor skins can be worn by any class which isn't the case for the already existing armor skins in the game. In that meaning any armor being adaptive armor which isn't already existing in the game is an addition to the game to increase the customizability for everyone. Maybe Bioware will make any custom armor adaptive, maybe not. So long these armor skins are the only way to not look like the typical class type without losing stats.
What would you call "no in-game quest"... like section x doesn't exist for you? Makeb won't ever happen and that new pvp warzone is just an imagination?
I really do hope that we will see different armor skins only obtainable via ingame activities, believe me I really do. I wish most from what you get on the Cartel Market could be obtained ingame via additional quests/ random drops etc. . I don't really like the increasing focus the Cartel Market is getting and I hope Bioware will find the right balance between one and the other and that we will see tons of stuff being implemented into the game over the next few months. However I won't agree on some half biased hypocrite which suddenly wakes up from his deep slumber only to point out something which is neither game breaking nor sounding any form of Armageddon.
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The lazy and money grubbing is difficult to argue with, EA/BW have seen to that- that said are a company with an obligation to shareholders.
However the bottom line is that I play the game because I get enough entertainment/£, it's as simple as that. I save my energy to stand up for my morals and principles for the more important things in life.
I just like how funny it is to still see people all hyped and believe that Bioware/EA would deliver a great holiday and how the CCMarket would not be involved were crushed under the usualy trash these developers unleash. After almost a year of them saying "Soon" to most questions and not delivering a good MMO, when will you people stop drinking the Kool-Aid and admit this MMO has some serious short comings. Stop just loving it cause it is Star Wars and wise up that there are other MMOs who deliver a much higher quality game, and stop tossing money at these undeserving companies.
Miss-treatment and money gouging of customers under a certain brand isn't something that strengthens the brand associated with these practices, EA, Bioware, star wars, none of the brands benefit from that. Now a fan who appreciates the brand would logically not prefer such treatment, so the logic that someone who is a fan of a certain brand really shouldn't appriciate such practices doesn't really seem flawed at all.
Unless of course you mean to argue poor products with bad services with a certain brand attatched to them is something that makes people appreciate the brand more.
I don't think you quite understand the concept of context.
In this particular instance I didn't defend EA/BW development or management of the game, in actual fact I agreed with the point that it looks like they are adopting a lazy money grubbing approach.
I only commented that the post that brought about the recent flurry of comments on this thread (shown snipped below) is flawed in its assertions that we should not be playing this game.
The part of my post that you left out of your quote goes on to explain that I really don't care how EA/BW develop or manage the game, I play it because I enjoy it. When I no longer enjoy it, either because I get bored or EA/BW wreck it, I will stop playing it. Life is far too short to get so caught up in the politics of a how a game developer handles its games.
As for damaging the brand of Star Wars....Are you honestly saying that when Disney release the next SW movie you think that EA/BW's management of SWTOR will have any real impact on the viewing figures? I think any effect will be utterly insignificant at most.
So you say you don't give a shit and like to point it out, good for you. Other people do happen to think the business practices they are being subjected to is important. His logic is still sound, a fan of a brand would logically not approve of the mistreatment of it and probably not support it. So his statement that a big fan of the star wars brand shouldn't support the mistreatment of it in the form of SWTOR has real merit and is in fact not flawed in the least, which you so avidly and wrongly claim it to be.
I never said his (and subsequently your) logic is flawed, if he dislikes the way EA/BW is managing the game and feels strongly about it, that is fine. I also agree that if a person cares significantly about something they should not support actions that THEY DEEM detrimental to it. What I said was flawed was his assertion that others, some of whom may not share his opinion, should not be playing the game. There is a significant difference between stating your intent not to support something and actually telling other people what they should or should not do. Who is he to tell me how I should spend my money or spare time and that I should not be doing something that I enjoy?
On top of that, the cornerstone of your argument is the effect of EA/BW's mismanagement of SWTOR on the Star Wars brand as a whole, which I think you are completely over estimating.
So their effort to heavily monetize many aspects of the game compared to other games as well as their lack of producing any real updates, it's actually a highly logical conclusion that they're either lazy, incompetent, not commited or to place them all under one umbrella, not productive. Heck from what I understand GW2 are closing in on having added more content to the game in their soon half a year life than SWTOR's full year.
So in short, you lose.
Anything I agree with he'll automatically believe its wrong, even if the proof is right there in his face.
He tries to deny logical answers seemingly on the "fact" that nothing I agree with can possibly be intelligent all the while digging his credibility deeper because he ignores proof or objective observations.
Psychlon give it up, you did exactly what I said you would do. You ignored good points because you'd rather go "LALALALA the game is perfect" then listen to a logical (and proven) point against the game. Don't hate on the game but it's fine to hate on the haters.
I will say, u can buy most everything that was in a cartel pack on the AH. After dropping some cash on CC I ended up getting a few lounge pants, but didn't get the top. However I was able to buy the top for credits off the AH, meaning didn't have to (drop more) real money on CCs.
Ultimately what I REALLY don't get is why people who seem to hate bioware/EA/this game...even bother to check this forum, let alone post here. If you hate SWTOR and aren't playing it, why do you even care? (This point is general and not aimed at any one person)
You must show no mercy, Nor have any belief whatsoever in how others judge you: For your greatness will silence them all!
Exploration and swtor in the same sentence, oh my indeed. Oh, and how does your insane rambling have anything to do with them taking content out and then claiming it's "new content"? Just curious since you seem desperate to dodge that question.