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  1. #181
    Quote Originally Posted by Rukentuts View Post
    Iran thinks the West is using a weather weapon ffs.
    not to mention a history of "mistaking" where their borders actually are... always in their favor, weird, huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palmatum View Post
    If it's true, it's pretty retarded. I don't know why the US would use 'less sophisticated' hardware when they have already been caught with their hand in the cookie jar once. If it is true, maybe they're doing it to try and provoke a reaction, pretty fucked up.

    I'm pretty sure violation of airspace like that can be seen as an act of war, it was ignored the first time and the US didn't even get a slap on the wrist. I wonder what now. Maybe they 'lost control' and it 'strayed into Iranian airspace' again.
    the united states employs a wide variety of weapon systems based on the current mission set. the united states didnt get its hand caught, i dont know where thats coming from. the last time they shot at one of our drones, it was in international water. if you had any clue about how this technology really works and how strict the politics behind it are, youd realize the chance of our drone being in their air space is slim to none. so if they attack any of them, or captured one, its definitely an act of war.

    the simple fact is, there is nothing wrong with our presence in the gulf. would you rather we not be there so iran is free to do what they please in the region? what would be the benefit if the united states stopped policing the world? who else is going to step in? you kidding me? theres no country in the world that could/would step up to the plate to take over that large of a responsibility.
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  3. #183
    Quote Originally Posted by Niroshi View Post
    Consider a different side to the Iran having nukes thing.

    Can you actually blame them for wanting nukes? This is something I saw a while back, possibly in the NYT but I'm not positive on that, basically a theory that Iran wants nukes because having nukes means that you are not so easily taken advantage of. They are opposed by a nuclear armed Israel who maintains a well armed traditional force as well. They are also opposed by the United States, an enemy you don't want to have in the world today, and an enemy which has had politicians trying to get the rest of the nation to go to war with Iran since before Bush left office. The United States also has a very well documented history of disrupting the region and trying to impose it's power on middle eastern nations, including Iran. I could totally understand them wanting to have some kind of even footing with the west and the western backed powers. The easiest way to do that would be nuclear weapons, though I don't believe anyone really wants to use them.
    I don't blame Iran for wanting nuclear weapons, even as a deterrence. However, I don't blame Iran's neighbors or anyone else for wanting them to not have nuclear weapons. Theocracies can be hard to predict and are generally not as stable as republics or democracies. Meanwhile the most realistic case isn't that Iran would use nuclear weapons aggressively, but that they would 'lose' bombs or enriched material and it would turn up inside groups seen as terrorist organizations by many places, which would then detonate the dirty bombs inside their territory.

    Also, proliferation of nuclear weapons is bad, mmmkay.

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    You know in most of these thread eventually the nuclear issue comes up, which it has here already, and I keep wondering:

    How the hell the only country who has ever used the fucking bomb and still has thousands of them gets to be the nuclear bomb police?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deleo View Post
    You know in most of these thread eventually the nuclear issue comes up, which it has here already, and I keep wondering:

    How the hell the only country who has ever used the fucking bomb and still has thousands of them gets to be the nuclear bomb police?!
    UN is the nuclear bomb police. The US is just the only country with enough extra military resources that it has any desire to engage in a foreign war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deleo View Post
    You know in most of these thread eventually the nuclear issue comes up, which it has here already, and I keep wondering:

    How the hell the only country who has ever used the fucking bomb and still has thousands of them gets to be the nuclear bomb police?!
    We have that authority by dint of our economic power and military dominance. Not rocket surgery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deleo View Post
    You know in most of these thread eventually the nuclear issue comes up, which it has here already, and I keep wondering:

    How the hell the only country who has ever used the fucking bomb and still has thousands of them gets to be the nuclear bomb police?!
    Obviously because we have the most experience with them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    UN is the nuclear bomb police. The US is just the only country with enough extra military resources that it has any desire to engage in a foreign war.
    The trouble is it's not enforced equally. You can't pressure Iran and ignore aggressive nuclear religious zealot Israel.

  9. #189
    Quote Originally Posted by Palmatum View Post
    "The Iranian military says it has captured an unmanned US drone aircraft in its airspace over Gulf waters.

    The Revolutionary Guards said they had brought down a ScanEagle - one of the smaller, less sophisticated drones employed by the Americans.

    Rear Admiral Ali Fadavi told the Fars news agency that the drone had conducted several reconnaissance flights over the Gulf in recent days.

    The US said it was looking into the reports."


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20591336

    If it's true, it's pretty retarded. I don't know why the US would use 'less sophisticated' hardware when they have already been caught with their hand in the cookie jar once. If it is true, maybe they're doing it to try and provoke a reaction, pretty fucked up.

    I'm pretty sure violation of airspace like that can be seen as an act of war, it was ignored the first time and the US didn't even get a slap on the wrist. I wonder what now. Maybe they 'lost control' and it 'strayed into Iranian airspace' again.
    wHAT would the US do if iran was sending drones over its territorial waters. hmmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twotonsteak View Post
    Remember that we're dealing with a nation lead by dillusional, psychotic, leaders who have a history of fabricating lies" and attempts to rewrite history.
    Are you talking about the US or Iran?

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulcrusher View Post
    The trouble is it's not enforced equally. You can't pressure Iran and ignore aggressive nuclear religious zealot Israel.
    Sure we can. It pays to have friends in high places.
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    The Eu butthurt in this thread is amazingly strong.

    On topic: Is anyone really surprised that the U.S. is flying drones over Iran? You guys are acting like this means full-scale invasion or some shit. My favorite part of this thread is Kangodo providing zero sources as usual, but hey if it helps your argument and no one calls you on it lying always works!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacox View Post
    And I don't you understand how B2s work.
    I do. And I also understand how expensive they are. And all the flaws they have even with the upgrades.

    Man it aint the 80's anymore.
    You don't have enough economic support to withstand a full on war with Iran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djalil View Post
    I do. And I also understand how expensive they are. And all the flaws they have even with the upgrades.

    Man it aint the 80's anymore.
    You don't have enough economic support to withstand a full on war with Iran.
    Airstrikes are not the same thing as an invasion. Between our drone fleet, stealth aircraft, cruise missiles, and JDAMs, the US has the ability to strike any target on the planet with relative impunity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inay View Post
    Well still it is unstable regime and one of the speculated problems would be that Iran would sell/lose a nuclear weapon to radical groups.
    A speculated problem? You can have one guess to what country started that rumour.

    Im not saying that US have acted right on its past policies everytime or anything but I just cant see how it would be good thing if Iran would get a nuclear weapon.
    But what do you want to discuss: That Iran has the right to nuclear weapons or that they aren't working on it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CellarDoor View Post
    The Eu butthurt in this thread is amazingly strong.

    On topic: Is anyone really surprised that the U.S. is flying drones over Iran? You guys are acting like this means full-scale invasion or some shit. My favorite part of this thread is Kangodo providing zero sources as usual, but hey if it helps your argument and no one calls you on it lying always works!
    Love Americans (been there a couple of times, was treated very well), loathe the American 'stewardship' of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalyyn View Post
    I'm very aware of that fact. Right now they've got a handful of WuZhen-5 recon drones and they're field testing the Chengu Pterodactyl. If you could see the specs on these things, you'd know they're garbage. The Pterodactyl is generations behind even our old Predator drones (never mind our new Avenger model) and the WuZhen-5 is basically an RC plane with a camera on it.


    Anyway, the Navy says that they are not currently missing any drones. Looks like Iran is making shit up again...
    I'm no more likely to trust US Military sources in this matter than Iranian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CellarDoor View Post
    The Eu butthurt in this thread is amazingly strong.

    On topic: Is anyone really surprised that the U.S. is flying drones over Iran? You guys are acting like this means full-scale invasion or some shit. My favorite part of this thread is Kangodo providing zero sources as usual, but hey if it helps your argument and no one calls you on it lying always works!
    The fact is, if it's true, the US is doing something it shouldn't be. You can't masquerade around about freedom and all that other good stuff if you're going to violate another nation's airspace just because you don't want them to have something.

    No matter who you are, you shouldn't be able to circumvent the official channels and get away with it.

    If Iran was flying drones in US airspace then I'd imagine there would be several air bases in Iran under plumes of smoke by now.

  18. #198
    Quote Originally Posted by Beavis View Post
    Airstrikes are not the same thing as an invasion. Between our drone fleet, stealth aircraft, cruise missiles, and JDAMs, the US has the ability to strike any target on the planet with relative impunity.
    Yeh thats true. but i feel like i should add... You can strike FREELY any target on the planet THAT CANNOT RETALIATE.
    Drones and stealth aircrafts are expensive and the loss of a few of them would make your generals think twice.
    And dont think Iran can't and won't fight back. As said before, Iran isn't Iraq nor Afghanistan. Its a fully sustainable country full of resources that has been on the alert from you guys a good few years now.

    Mind you, i dont doubt the destructive force of the USA army.
    I just think you shouldnt get the last 2 events, iraq and afghanistan as an example.
    For two reason.
    First neither of them had a proper army able to counter your aircraft attacks.
    Second because in both cases you showed how, yes, things go amazingly easy when, before a ground invasion, you airstrike the place to oblivion.
    BUT
    when it comes down to a ground invasion, even a run down iraq, hell even afghanistan, with guerrilla tactics, can hold you in a headlock, while public opinion drops dramatically.

    Think how it would drop if you had to fight a proper army, old school ground invasion. People just wont accept it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beavis View Post
    Sure we can. It pays to have friends in high places.
    Yeah... Which ones were the good guys again?
    Last edited by Djalil; 2012-12-05 at 10:25 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beavis View Post
    Airstrikes are not the same thing as an invasion. Between our drone fleet, stealth aircraft, cruise missiles, and JDAMs, the US has the ability to strike any target on the planet with relative impunity.
    great attitude. blast people to bits from the saftey of home. you dont like it when you get hit back though do you. i guess thats always the case with bullies. cant actually fight for toffee just spend their time picking on the little guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulcrusher View Post
    great attitude. blast people to bits from the saftey of home. you dont like it when you get hit back though do you. i guess thats always the case with bullies. cant actually fight for toffee just spend their time picking on the little guys.
    True.
    That's why I think it won't work against Iran.
    They aren't really "little guys"
    Last edited by Djalil; 2012-12-05 at 10:43 AM.

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