Is it a kind of censorship to move my article "Iraqis cannot forget what Americans have done here’ to this thread? There is no relationship between the two.
I'm not going to dig through 18 pages of ideological mud slinging to see if this was posted already, but a quick google search finds articles that seem to indicate the Iranians merely purchased a commercially available ScanEagle. The aircraft pictured in the video release has no American markings, and it's not exactly the kind of UAV that the US would use for a spy mission given its relative lack of sophistication. This is more likely a story intended for domestic consumption rather than to rile up the Americans; in fact, most of the Iranian saber rattling initiated by Ahmadinejad is usually intended to distract Iranian citizens from his failed economic policies that have absolutely devastated the Iranian middle class.
http://strategypage.com/qnd/iran/articles/20121206.aspx (obvious pro-US bias, but very well informed and constructed argument)
Narfwak - Elemental Shaman
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Israel wants Iran to fail wether they are developing nuclear armaments or not. So the USA follow them as they do. I know it punishes the iranian's innocent population but that's the way the "good guys" fight their wars nowadays.
Having recognised this you would agree that you have ZERO rights to talk about iran's economic policies.
ALL you know about Ahmadinejad is propaganda. Wrongly translated interviews, things taken out of context... It's just the way it is.
They're the bad guys so there you go.
You know what, the place might be what it is, but I personally like how he drives a normal car, dresses in normal clothes, grows his own stuff in his back garden, walk with people, you know...
But you probably haven't heard it, or if you did, somehow twisted.
I think OUR corrupted politicians should learn from this, a LOT.
The reason why i tell you this is because I find ridicolous people commenting on Iran or Ahmadinejad based on what they hear on national news, television, Internet, etc.
There's a shitload of propaganda on BOTH sides so just take all you hear with a pinch of salt.
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Man I was reading that link. Is that how you get your informations about it? Do you not realise THAT to be plain propaganda?
Man I'm amazed.
It's not "very well informed and constructive" AT ALL.
A bunch of historical crap cherry picked to suit the needs, lies turned truth about Islam and its divisions... Wow....
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Oh sorry I forgot how, for you, not blindly supporting and swallowing every piece of crap, AUTOMATICALLY makes you an active member of some Iranian terrorist organisation.
Black and white black and white black and white YUHU!!
Life is so simple like that aint it?
Last edited by Djalil; 2012-12-08 at 08:59 AM.
P.S. Never argued that political prisoners aren't being executed.
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When survival is the goal, it's into the spider hole!
Let me tell you.
You are "simply pointing" nothing. You are cherry picking ONE aspect of my post SECONDARY to the subject I was treating, twisting it to suit your shallow accusations, and working on it to 1) derail from the subject of the post 2) take the chance to put some dust over people's eyes, aka saying I praise Ahmadinejad.
That's exactly what you were doing.
You weren't pointing, you weren't informing, you weren't being constructive.
You were being misleading.
Last edited by Djalil; 2012-12-08 at 01:44 PM.
tbh theres lots to not like about Iran, religious oppression and minorities rights. Because we dont like them doesnt mean i want to kill them to freedom like we did in Iraq with its 1.5 million dead. if we hadnt backed iran into a corner with sanctions and whatever else im fairly confidant the iranian people would have over thrown the clerics by now. but then i dont think peace and harmony are the real reason we want to attack iran. as for economics, modern warfare is expensive and bar making money for haliburton i doubt the average american tax payer will find war a good investment. reading some of the posts on here id say education was a higher requirement.
When survival is the goal, it's into the spider hole!
So lets get to the matter.
You think all the informations we have about Iran are accurate, spot on, not at all influenced by anyone at all.
You know what they say, fool me once....
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And yes. Since I'm not blindly following anyone, I am glad to admit that not only I like that about him, but I also recognise that if we adopted some of that, in change for some better understanding of human rights we'd all be happy.
As a persian person who still lives in Iran these threads really amuse me. All the well-informed people around here ..... I must be very misinformed about my own country. Let me clarify few points:
1- Women are having hard time in Iran but it has gotten alot better; and no, they don't get raped here all the time, not any more than the next country anyway. It is harder in the sense that they don't get the same job opportunities the men get (most managing positions are still filled with men) and they have wear islamic cover while outta house whether they believe in it or not. I'm sure they have it way better than most of arabic countries around. But feminism is doing its thing here too. Still it is going to take some time for people to change the way they think (me included) which is what it takes for things to get better.
2- Homosexuality IS supposed to be punished by death (some religious crap) but I've never actually heard of that law being enforced. They just keep it secret and frankly no one really cares. I think the government prefers to have its reports showing no sign of it than actually admitting there are homosexuals around and executing them. They are not culturally accepted by most people though.
3- Most of the community (above 50% including the educated and civilized) do not agree with our government's foreign policy and think it is wrong. Hell we don't even like their domestic policies while we're at it.
4- I work in power industry and I assure you we absolutely don't need a nuclear power plant. We can have all the power we need using SC or CC power plants (Iran is the 2nd country in the world when it comes to natural gas resources). But just so you know, the nuclear power plant's contract was signed before the revolution about 35 years ago and back then everyone, including US, seemed to be OK with it. Funny thing this same regime executed the guy who signed the nuclear contract with russia because they thought it was treason to have nuclear power plant in a country that doesn't need it. Now the same guys want the power plant. Really no idea here.
5- Generally people here don't like or at best don't care about US. Lets face it you guys haven't really played nice for the last 33 years. Still I think they would pick US over China if they were given the choice.
6- Iraq attacked Iran. The war took 8 years. US, UK and few other countries supported Iraq and Russia supported Iran (or sold to both sides maybe). In the end both sides agreed to just forget about it and let it go. ( ) Surprisingly we have a pretty good relationship with Iraqi people. I personally like those fellas.
7- I think at this point we all agree that US is not really fair when it comes to who should have what and its not really about making the world a better place. If you really think it is about human rights or making the world a better place you should think about how many starving Africans could be saved for every Iraqi or Afghanistan citizen killed. In the end there was no WMD in Iraq and all it took to kill Bin Laden were few commandos.
8- If you are looking for extremists you should look in both sides. There are some Zionists that believe they are superior to everyone else and they are not even secretive about it. OFC this side has few crazy guys of its own too.
9- Not a Muslim but living in an Islamic country I can tell you the bad stuff doesn't come from the religion. It comes from the corrupt mind of its followers. I assure you Iranians would be the very same people if they were Christians. You will be surprised how similar Islam is to other religions. Not that I like the rest of'em, but lets not bring religions into this and make it more complicated than it already is.
10- Iran's army is very well equipped and the guys in charge up there really know their shit. You want proof, look at Hezbollah and Israel's history (not that I support any side).
11- Terrorist is something you make up. If you are the guy in charge you define who is the terrorist and who is the victim. If Iran was in charge it was probably the other way around. So these words don't really mean anything. You go to Iraq and kill 1.5m people and you act like your soldiers are heroes and you have done something epic that should be written in history with golden pen or something. The guy blows up a car and kills 2 americans he becomes a terrorist. My point is words can be deceiving and what you have in your mind is not necessarily accepted by others.
TLDR: Its not that simple. There is no good guys or bad guys. There are two uptight hard asses who are not willing to let go of their stupidity and solve the damn problem.
O.T. I personally don't know what to make of it. Usually both sides lie when it comes to these matters. I'm sure my side does.
P.S. There is a Lebanese-born French Christian author called Amin Maalouf. I think it was in 2009 he wrote a book called "Le Dérèglement du monde" ("troubled world" or something close) on this very subject. Why americans didn't become the knight in shining armor they expected, why muslims and jews are having problems and all that. It is a very interesting read from someone who has seen both sides, if you can find the english version.
Sorry for bad english...
Last edited by Deleo; 2012-12-09 at 04:51 AM.
I've walked the realms of the dead. I have seen the infinite dark. Nothing you say. Or do. Could possibly frighten me.We are not monsters! We are not the mindless wretches of a ghoul army! NO! We are a force even more terrifying! We are the chill in a coward's spine! We are the instruments of an unyielding ire! WE ARE THE FORSAKEN!Those who do not stand with the Forsaken stand against them. And those who stand against the Forsaken will not stand long.
I bet my balls someone is going to come up with something like, "this guy is not really Iranian"
Last edited by Beavis; 2012-12-08 at 09:15 PM.
When survival is the goal, it's into the spider hole!
You get to decide what you like and what you don't like based on YOUR OWN judgement (amazing isnt it).
An apologist for the Iranian government... Do you come up with this crap by yourself or you have it written somewhere?
Anyway, read that guy's post while you're around here.
See if you learn something.
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And this: "The truth is that the west is the most powerful civilisation on Earth by far. Our civilisation believes in and fights for human rights."
So what's it gonna be fruitcake?
Last edited by tibe; 2012-12-08 at 09:32 PM.