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  1. #361
    Quote Originally Posted by Gothicshark View Post
    make sure you have a clue who they are first.
    Oh really? Have you ever met with a Persian person? The university I study has thousands of Persian student.

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    Is it a kind of censorship to move my article "Iraqis cannot forget what Americans have done here’ to this thread? There is no relationship between the two.

    http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...S-drone/page18

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    I'm not going to dig through 18 pages of ideological mud slinging to see if this was posted already, but a quick google search finds articles that seem to indicate the Iranians merely purchased a commercially available ScanEagle. The aircraft pictured in the video release has no American markings, and it's not exactly the kind of UAV that the US would use for a spy mission given its relative lack of sophistication. This is more likely a story intended for domestic consumption rather than to rile up the Americans; in fact, most of the Iranian saber rattling initiated by Ahmadinejad is usually intended to distract Iranian citizens from his failed economic policies that have absolutely devastated the Iranian middle class.

    http://strategypage.com/qnd/iran/articles/20121206.aspx (obvious pro-US bias, but very well informed and constructed argument)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuntantee View Post
    Oh really? Have you ever met with a Persian person? The university I study has thousands of Persian student.
    Nice I have had several Persian lovers, My first was a Iranian. I live in a highly Persian community here in LA, we have everyone here Persians, my car dealer is Palestinian, My favorite laffas are made by an Israel restaurant. You seem to forget Los Angeles has the exact same weather patterns as Lebanon/Israel/Palestine. So when people from over there move to the US, either they get stuck in New York or Move to Los Angeles. There are millions of Muslims in Los Angeles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katsung47 View Post
    Is it a kind of censorship to move my article "Iraqis cannot forget what Americans have done here’ to this thread? There is no relationship between the two.

    http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...S-drone/page18
    You didn't need to put that in this thread, and it is more reason to hate the Bushes and the Saudi's, if they think it was the will of America they are mistaken. The American will was not to be there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narfwak View Post
    I'm not going to dig through 18 pages of ideological mud slinging to see if this was posted already, but a quick google search finds articles that seem to indicate the Iranians merely purchased a commercially available ScanEagle. The aircraft pictured in the video release has no American markings, and it's not exactly the kind of UAV that the US would use for a spy mission given its relative lack of sophistication. This is more likely a story intended for domestic consumption rather than to rile up the Americans; in fact, most of the Iranian saber rattling initiated by Ahmadinejad is usually intended to distract Iranian citizens from his failed economic policies that have absolutely devastated the Iranian middle class.

    http://strategypage.com/qnd/iran/articles/20121206.aspx (obvious pro-US bias, but very well informed and constructed argument)
    There are heavy economic sanctions and restrictions enforced on Iran by the "global community", based only on hearsay.
    Israel wants Iran to fail wether they are developing nuclear armaments or not. So the USA follow them as they do. I know it punishes the iranian's innocent population but that's the way the "good guys" fight their wars nowadays.
    Having recognised this you would agree that you have ZERO rights to talk about iran's economic policies.
    Also.
    ALL you know about Ahmadinejad is propaganda. Wrongly translated interviews, things taken out of context... It's just the way it is.
    They're the bad guys so there you go.
    You know what, the place might be what it is, but I personally like how he drives a normal car, dresses in normal clothes, grows his own stuff in his back garden, walk with people, you know...
    But you probably haven't heard it, or if you did, somehow twisted.
    I think OUR corrupted politicians should learn from this, a LOT.
    The reason why i tell you this is because I find ridicolous people commenting on Iran or Ahmadinejad based on what they hear on national news, television, Internet, etc.
    There's a shitload of propaganda on BOTH sides so just take all you hear with a pinch of salt.

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    Man I was reading that link. Is that how you get your informations about it? Do you not realise THAT to be plain propaganda?
    Man I'm amazed.
    It's not "very well informed and constructive" AT ALL.
    A bunch of historical crap cherry picked to suit the needs, lies turned truth about Islam and its divisions... Wow....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djalil View Post
    I personally like how he drives a normal car, dresses in normal clothes, grows his own stuff in his back garden, walk with people, you know...
    Do you like how the Basij summarily executes homosexuals? What about how they beat women in the street when they don't wear a hijab?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beavis View Post
    Do you like how the Basij summarily executes homosexuals? What about how they beat women in the street when they don't wear a hijab?
    No. Should I?

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    Oh sorry I forgot how, for you, not blindly supporting and swallowing every piece of crap, AUTOMATICALLY makes you an active member of some Iranian terrorist organisation.

    Black and white black and white black and white YUHU!!
    Life is so simple like that aint it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gothicshark View Post
    If you are that clueless I feel sorry for you. Either that or you are a paid blogger for a terrorist cell. Because I find it hard for someone to not be aware of the last 30 years of Iranian history.

    But if you are just clueless go find an Iranian and ask them.

    here is a good group they will list out the long list of murder women.

    http://www.iranpoliticalprisoners.org/index.html

    Now as far as Saudi Arabia you are just kicking back my word at me, I'm the one who accuses the Saudi's of stirring up most of this crap, and using the US Military as it's private body guard.

    As for what the CIA did that was GHW Bush who set it up as Director of the CIA. Who's his best friend? the Saudi's. I wonder why the Saudi's wanted the Shah gone? Do not think for a moment that anything happens in the Middle East that is not approved by the Saudi's, Israel's very existence has helped the Saudi's get away with so much it's ridiculous. So when you ask your self why does America unconditionally back Israel ask your self why would the Saudi's want America to Back Israel.

    You want to spew forth innocent Iran, which is in the top 4 worst totalitarian nations on earth.
    I was pissed off that Libya got sacked. Sure in the 80's they sponsored Terrorism and it bit them in the ass hard core, Gaddafi was actually good for his people, but he controlled oil which wasn't owned by the Saudi's. Syria is falling hard and fast, the US is doing almost nothing While Israel is Screaming at the world to do something. Wonder why America isn't doing anything?

    You have a very narrow world view when you think all your troubles are made in America.
    So instead of giving me actual sources for your "bullet points", you call me clueless. Okay... Oh and I almost forgot, then you processed to give me even more bullshit without any kind of sources to back it up.

    P.S. Never argued that political prisoners aren't being executed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gothicshark View Post
    You didn't need to put that in this thread, and it is more reason to hate the Bushes and the Saudi's, if they think it was the will of America they are mistaken. The American will was not to be there.
    He posted it in another thread and for some reason the mods decided to merge it with this one and the invasion of Iraq (plain and simple) was done for the sole reason of saying "we are doing something about 9/11, see we invaded a terrorist country".

  9. #369
    Quote Originally Posted by Gothicshark View Post
    Nice I have had several Persian lovers, My first was a Iranian. I live in a highly Persian community here in LA, we have everyone here Persians, my car dealer is Palestinian, My favorite laffas are made by an Israel restaurant. You seem to forget Los Angeles has the exact same weather patterns as Lebanon/Israel/Palestine. So when people from over there move to the US, either they get stuck in New York or Move to Los Angeles. There are millions of Muslims in Los Angeles.
    Are you Shi'a?I think you are because your terrorist(!) Persian lover didn't kill you(I'm pretty sure he/she had several chances). What you do is gross generalization and utter bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djalil View Post
    No. Should I?

    ---------- Post added 2012-12-08 at 08:56 AM ----------

    Oh sorry I forgot how, for you, not blindly supporting and swallowing every piece of crap, AUTOMATICALLY makes you an active member of some Iranian terrorist organisation.

    Black and white black and white black and white YUHU!!
    Life is so simple like that aint it?
    I don't even know what you're talking about now. I'm not even sure you know what you're talking about. You're kind of babbling. I'm simply pointing out that the man you're praising for superficial populist nonsense also happens to condone the beheading of homosexuals by paramilitary secret police as a valid means of enforcing his country's batshit crazy laws.
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    it's still beyond me why the US doesn't destroy lost drones ...

  12. #372
    Quote Originally Posted by Beavis View Post
    I don't even know what you're talking about now. I'm not even sure you know what you're talking about. You're kind of babbling. I'm simply pointing out that the man you're praising for superficial populist nonsense also happens to condone the beheading of homosexuals by paramilitary secret police as a valid means of enforcing his country's batshit crazy laws.
    The man im praising...
    Let me tell you.
    You are "simply pointing" nothing. You are cherry picking ONE aspect of my post SECONDARY to the subject I was treating, twisting it to suit your shallow accusations, and working on it to 1) derail from the subject of the post 2) take the chance to put some dust over people's eyes, aka saying I praise Ahmadinejad.
    That's exactly what you were doing.
    You weren't pointing, you weren't informing, you weren't being constructive.

    You were being misleading.
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    tbh theres lots to not like about Iran, religious oppression and minorities rights. Because we dont like them doesnt mean i want to kill them to freedom like we did in Iraq with its 1.5 million dead. if we hadnt backed iran into a corner with sanctions and whatever else im fairly confidant the iranian people would have over thrown the clerics by now. but then i dont think peace and harmony are the real reason we want to attack iran. as for economics, modern warfare is expensive and bar making money for haliburton i doubt the average american tax payer will find war a good investment. reading some of the posts on here id say education was a higher requirement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djalil View Post
    The man im praising...
    Let me tell you.
    You are "simply pointing" nothing. You are cherry picking ONE aspect of my post SECONDARY to the subject I was treating, twisting it to suit your shallow accusations, and working on it to 1) derail from the subject of the post 2) take the chance to put some dust over people's eyes, aka saying I praise Ahmadinejad.
    That's exactly what you were doing.
    You weren't pointing, you weren't informing, you weren't being constructive.

    You were being misleading.
    You can't be serious. Half of your post was about how the West doesn't know about the really going on in Iran. Then you go on to say that even if Iran is as bad as we think it is, you like the fact that he dresses like a normal human being, has a garden, and doesn't drive a flashy car. I'm sorry if I took your apologetics for one of the nastiest regimes on the planet as an actual statement of your feelings about the situation. Next time I'll use my powers of divination to read your mind instead of your words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beavis View Post
    You can't be serious. Half of your post was about how the West doesn't know about the really going on in Iran. Then you go on to say that even if Iran is as bad as we think it is, you like the fact that he dresses like a normal human being, has a garden, and doesn't drive a flashy car. I'm sorry if I took your apologetics for one of the nastiest regimes on the planet as an actual statement of your feelings about the situation. Next time I'll use my powers of divination to read your mind instead of your words.
    Or you coud also read the post, understand the meaning, THEN reply.
    So lets get to the matter.
    You think all the informations we have about Iran are accurate, spot on, not at all influenced by anyone at all.
    You know what they say, fool me once....

    ---------- Post added 2012-12-08 at 07:49 PM ----------

    And yes. Since I'm not blindly following anyone, I am glad to admit that not only I like that about him, but I also recognise that if we adopted some of that, in change for some better understanding of human rights we'd all be happy.

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    As a persian person who still lives in Iran these threads really amuse me. All the well-informed people around here ..... I must be very misinformed about my own country. Let me clarify few points:


    1- Women are having hard time in Iran but it has gotten alot better; and no, they don't get raped here all the time, not any more than the next country anyway. It is harder in the sense that they don't get the same job opportunities the men get (most managing positions are still filled with men) and they have wear islamic cover while outta house whether they believe in it or not. I'm sure they have it way better than most of arabic countries around. But feminism is doing its thing here too. Still it is going to take some time for people to change the way they think (me included) which is what it takes for things to get better.

    2- Homosexuality IS supposed to be punished by death (some religious crap) but I've never actually heard of that law being enforced. They just keep it secret and frankly no one really cares. I think the government prefers to have its reports showing no sign of it than actually admitting there are homosexuals around and executing them. They are not culturally accepted by most people though.

    3- Most of the community (above 50% including the educated and civilized) do not agree with our government's foreign policy and think it is wrong. Hell we don't even like their domestic policies while we're at it.

    4- I work in power industry and I assure you we absolutely don't need a nuclear power plant. We can have all the power we need using SC or CC power plants (Iran is the 2nd country in the world when it comes to natural gas resources). But just so you know, the nuclear power plant's contract was signed before the revolution about 35 years ago and back then everyone, including US, seemed to be OK with it. Funny thing this same regime executed the guy who signed the nuclear contract with russia because they thought it was treason to have nuclear power plant in a country that doesn't need it. Now the same guys want the power plant. Really no idea here.

    5- Generally people here don't like or at best don't care about US. Lets face it you guys haven't really played nice for the last 33 years. Still I think they would pick US over China if they were given the choice.

    6- Iraq attacked Iran. The war took 8 years. US, UK and few other countries supported Iraq and Russia supported Iran (or sold to both sides maybe). In the end both sides agreed to just forget about it and let it go. ( ) Surprisingly we have a pretty good relationship with Iraqi people. I personally like those fellas.

    7- I think at this point we all agree that US is not really fair when it comes to who should have what and its not really about making the world a better place. If you really think it is about human rights or making the world a better place you should think about how many starving Africans could be saved for every Iraqi or Afghanistan citizen killed. In the end there was no WMD in Iraq and all it took to kill Bin Laden were few commandos.

    8- If you are looking for extremists you should look in both sides. There are some Zionists that believe they are superior to everyone else and they are not even secretive about it. OFC this side has few crazy guys of its own too.

    9- Not a Muslim but living in an Islamic country I can tell you the bad stuff doesn't come from the religion. It comes from the corrupt mind of its followers. I assure you Iranians would be the very same people if they were Christians. You will be surprised how similar Islam is to other religions. Not that I like the rest of'em, but lets not bring religions into this and make it more complicated than it already is.

    10- Iran's army is very well equipped and the guys in charge up there really know their shit. You want proof, look at Hezbollah and Israel's history (not that I support any side).

    11- Terrorist is something you make up. If you are the guy in charge you define who is the terrorist and who is the victim. If Iran was in charge it was probably the other way around. So these words don't really mean anything. You go to Iraq and kill 1.5m people and you act like your soldiers are heroes and you have done something epic that should be written in history with golden pen or something. The guy blows up a car and kills 2 americans he becomes a terrorist. My point is words can be deceiving and what you have in your mind is not necessarily accepted by others.

    TLDR: Its not that simple. There is no good guys or bad guys. There are two uptight hard asses who are not willing to let go of their stupidity and solve the damn problem.

    O.T. I personally don't know what to make of it. Usually both sides lie when it comes to these matters. I'm sure my side does.

    P.S. There is a Lebanese-born French Christian author called Amin Maalouf. I think it was in 2009 he wrote a book called "Le Dérèglement du monde" ("troubled world" or something close) on this very subject. Why americans didn't become the knight in shining armor they expected, why muslims and jews are having problems and all that. It is a very interesting read from someone who has seen both sides, if you can find the english version.

    Sorry for bad english...
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    I bet my balls someone is going to come up with something like, "this guy is not really Iranian"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djalil View Post
    Or you coud also read the post, understand the meaning, THEN reply.
    So lets get to the matter.
    You think all the informations we have about Iran are accurate, spot on, not at all influenced by anyone at all.
    You know what they say, fool me once....

    ---------- Post added 2012-12-08 at 07:49 PM ----------

    And yes. Since I'm not blindly following anyone, I am glad to admit that not only I like that about him, but I also recognise that if we adopted some of that, in change for some better understanding of human rights we'd all be happy.
    Ah man, I love posts like this. The problem isn't that you're either unclear or intentionally saying something awful, it's that I'm not reading or understanding your meaning. Got it.

    Anyway, have fun being an apologist for the Iranian government!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beavis View Post
    Ah man, I love posts like this. The problem isn't not that you're either unclear or intentionally saying something awful, it's that I'm not reading or understanding your meaning. Got it.

    Anyway, have fun being an apologist for the Iranian government!
    I will. It's great to be able to think with your own head and not be part of the hive you know?
    You get to decide what you like and what you don't like based on YOUR OWN judgement (amazing isnt it).

    An apologist for the Iranian government... Do you come up with this crap by yourself or you have it written somewhere?
    Anyway, read that guy's post while you're around here.
    See if you learn something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arnorei View Post
    I get it now, the US tactic is to send drones in Iran and bury them in drones. One day, every iranian will have a battle drone, using them as toys around and not even knowing what to do with them.


    Actually... the chinese/russians could reverse engineer it and get their own. They're not that stupid.
    We're talking about the chinese dude! I bet by now they already have reverse-engineered, duplicated every possible part of the drone and sell them as toys all over the world.

    ---------- Post added 2012-12-08 at 10:30 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuvok View Post
    I'm not xenophobic, I simply don't have faith in the ability of most middle eastern countries to make rational decisions. A lack of rationality and nuclear weapons are not a good mix. Can you honestly tell me that it is anything but a threat to the entire planet that a volatile part of the world like the middle east starts developing nuclear weapons? I'm really not interested in political correctness, it is time to face the truth of the situation, and if that means the west has to stand up and say no to Iran, and enforce that "no" to protect the safety of the west and the rest of the world then so be it.

    Who are we to think we have the right? We are the most powerful civilsation on the planet by miles, we are the most socially and morally advanced people the world has ever known. I don't see countless christian churches getting built in Saudi Arabia, I don't see immigrants flocking to Albania, I don't see the US government locking up a pop band for questioning the government, and I don't see UK men banning their women from owning mobile phones in case their wives use them to elope. Like it or not, we are in charge. The good thing is that our philosophies in the west mean that we respect every other culture and nation. We have no qualms with anyone unless they pose a threat to our existence. The only problem with our enlightened way of life is sometimes people go too far and start thinking that the west can solve all the world's problems. We still have to protect our interests and we cannot allow ourselves to get soft. The world has to know we will not stand by prattling on about rights while our citizens are jeopardised by people who do not afford us the same courtesy.

    And this: "The truth is that the west is the most powerful civilisation on Earth by far. Our civilisation believes in and fights for human rights."

    Tuut tuut!

    So what's it gonna be fruitcake?
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