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    Quote Originally Posted by Beavis View Post
    Anyway, have fun being an apologist for the Iranian government!
    its not really about apologising for anyone is it? its about not wanting to see another Iraq and over a million people dead.

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    This whole post is getting funny. Human rights really... You would have to be a blind follower to think any of the middle east wars happen over this. I am a US citzen and i really dont care about these wars until they spill onto our soil or have the threat to. Fear is the most powerful weapon. If a country is about to gain the power to put fear in the US via chemical, biological or nuclear i expect my government to preemptively strike. We have to power to attack early so yes i believe we should.

    Most of the fights are also fossil fuel driven. As of right now it is by far the cheapest way to get things as the oil industry controls the world paying off politians. If the oild industry wants something they can easily pay off a few people to get it. They rule the world. The US is just their muscle right now.

    Iraq was the best stategic point to take as a start for a new stronghold in the middle east it just hasnt worked that way. Im not a US follower i just understand how the world works, my country takes care of our best intrests first as i expect them to. If its beneficially to me that we invade then by all means if people are willing to invade say some other country go for it. Most of the wars before this were the direct part of the cold war. It wasnt a war with the countries we fought but an indirect way to have our war with the USSR without spilling it to either of oir shores. So to say the us did anything without it being a slight at Russia is assinign. There will always be war because there will always be extremists just glad it has stayed off my shores.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trunksee View Post
    If a country is about to gain the power to put fear in the US via chemical, biological or nuclear i expect my government to preemptively strike. We have to power to attack early so yes i believe we should.
    neither Iraq or now Iran is/was a threat to the USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Trunksee View Post
    As of right now it is by far the cheapest way to get things as the oil industry controls the world paying off politians. If the oild industry wants something they can easily pay off a few people to get it. They rule the world. The US is just their muscle right now.

    Iraq was the best stategic point to take as a start for a new stronghold in the middle east it just hasnt worked that way. I If its beneficially to me that we invade then by all means if people are willing to invade say some other country go for it.
    not sure if im understanding you but are you saying it was a good thing to kill 1.5 million iraqis as it benfited the USA financially?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trunksee View Post
    This whole post is getting funny. Human rights really... You would have to be a blind follower to think any of the middle east wars happen over this. I am a US citzen and i really dont care about these wars until they spill onto our soil or have the threat to. Fear is the most powerful weapon. If a country is about to gain the power to put fear in the US via chemical, biological or nuclear i expect my government to preemptively strike. We have to power to attack early so yes i believe we should.

    Most of the fights are also fossil fuel driven. As of right now it is by far the cheapest way to get things as the oil industry controls the world paying off politians. If the oild industry wants something they can easily pay off a few people to get it. They rule the world. The US is just their muscle right now.

    Iraq was the best stategic point to take as a start for a new stronghold in the middle east it just hasnt worked that way. Im not a US follower i just understand how the world works, my country takes care of our best intrests first as i expect them to. If its beneficially to me that we invade then by all means if people are willing to invade say some other country go for it. Most of the wars before this were the direct part of the cold war. It wasnt a war with the countries we fought but an indirect way to have our war with the USSR without spilling it to either of oir shores. So to say the us did anything without it being a slight at Russia is assinign. There will always be war because there will always be extremists just glad it has stayed off my shores.
    You first ramble about how the wars are initiated by those with the money and the oil industry, and then goes on to speak about how those wars benefit you? Unless you're one of these "big shots" all what these wars do, is reduce your quality of life.

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    Sorry about the babbling but to rephrase my point, the war was initiated by the oil industry with planned minimal benefits for the US or at least reasons given. The new wars are the war for fossil fuels. It has more to do with blocking china from getting the oil. Its just like the cold war. We got into vietnam over communism, our war with korea was about the same but earlier. With the fall of Russia we had a new objective spear headed by the oil company lobiests. We dont do anything for human rights by killing people. And yes even thoigh one and a half million people died its a part of war. War doesnt happen without casualties hence not a human rights thing. How can the us buy oil from iran right now with the sanction and not look like a hypocrite? But it can go to china when we feel it should come to us. There is always an underlying reason for wars now a days that gets covered up. If we wanted to save the world we would use our defense budjet for other things, but we dont we use them for gaining things like all wars have.always been. Its either defense or attacking for gain.

    It has nothing to do with human rights. We are a capitalistic country trying to gain more capital.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulcrusher View Post
    neither Iraq or now Iran is/was a threat to the USA



    not sure if im understanding you but are you saying it was a good thing to kill 1.5 million iraqis as it benfited the USA financially?

    Um think agian, the Iraq war only benefited one group of Nations and the US is not one of them, you really need to rethink who you hate. Their are 3 of you who hate America and Israel so much that you are blind to what is really going on, sad thing is I bet you live in a nation which has media controlled by the actual guilty party. Who controls Iraq's oil now? Who had the biggest gain from that war? Who would benefit from the US invading Iran? Who benefits from the Muslim Community always hating Israel? Who has rewritten history? Who pays/bribes/blackmails nations to do what they want? Who has that kind of wealth and power?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gothicshark View Post
    Um think agian, the Iraq war only benefited one group of Nations and the US is not one of them, you really need to rethink who you hate. Their are 3 of you who hate America and Israel so much that you are blind to what is really going on, sad thing is I bet you live in a nation which has media controlled by the actual guilty party. Who controls Iraq's oil now? Who had the biggest gain from that war? Who would benefit from the US invading Iran? Who benefits from the Muslim Community always hating Israel? Who has rewritten history? Who pays/bribes/blackmails nations to do what they want? Who has that kind of wealth and power?
    A couple of things

    I was responding to a previous poster and his comments about the war being financially justified
    Stop mixing dislike of a governments foreign policy with hatred for a nation. Like a lot of people in the west I grew up with a love of America, it's music and it's culture. Recent foreign policy including war for oil and targeted assignation from drones are for me things that should be discussed. A lot of Americans don't like these things either.
    Lastly who do you mean? Which country?

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    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    Wouldn't it be hilarious if the US was loading these old drones up with absolutely fake coding and parts/devices that do nothing but look integral, then letting them fall into the hands of Iran in the hope they make it over to China and completely confuse them?

    /tinfoilhat
    That's actually a pretty brilliant idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulcrusher View Post
    Lastly who do you mean? Which country?

    Who has the most to gain from the War in Iraq, and a possible war in Iran. As a famous detective once said, the guilty party is usually the one with the most to gain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trunksee View Post
    This whole post is getting funny. Human rights really... You would have to be a blind follower to think any of the middle east wars happen over this. I am a US citzen and i really dont care about these wars until they spill onto our soil or have the threat to. Fear is the most powerful weapon. If a country is about to gain the power to put fear in the US via chemical, biological or nuclear i expect my government to preemptively strike. We have to power to attack early so yes i believe we should.

    Most of the fights are also fossil fuel driven. As of right now it is by far the cheapest way to get things as the oil industry controls the world paying off politians. If the oild industry wants something they can easily pay off a few people to get it. They rule the world. The US is just their muscle right now.

    Iraq was the best stategic point to take as a start for a new stronghold in the middle east it just hasnt worked that way. Im not a US follower i just understand how the world works, my country takes care of our best intrests first as i expect them to. If its beneficially to me that we invade then by all means if people are willing to invade say some other country go for it. Most of the wars before this were the direct part of the cold war. It wasnt a war with the countries we fought but an indirect way to have our war with the USSR without spilling it to either of oir shores. So to say the us did anything without it being a slight at Russia is assinign. There will always be war because there will always be extremists just glad it has stayed off my shores.
    A product of the US education system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gothicshark View Post
    Um think agian, the Iraq war only benefited one group of Nations and the US is not one of them, you really need to rethink who you hate. Their are 3 of you who hate America and Israel so much that you are blind to what is really going on, sad thing is I bet you live in a nation which has media controlled by the actual guilty party. Who controls Iraq's oil now? Who had the biggest gain from that war? Who would benefit from the US invading Iran? Who benefits from the Muslim Community always hating Israel? Who has rewritten history? Who pays/bribes/blackmails nations to do what they want? Who has that kind of wealth and power?
    The answer is the USA and isreal.

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