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    Any other Australians annoyed at how long it will take?

    So I just looked at the rollout plan for Fiber-optics in Australia (See: http://nbnco.com.au/rollout/rollout-map.html) and my area isn't going to see construction of it until December 2014. I know it's about damn time, but how can they take so damn long to implement it? Last I checked, construction of it began in 2010 so how does it take 5 years to finally begin construction in my area and THEN not complete until mid 2015, so we're talking almost 6 years in the making here.

    Do not get me wrong, I think it's great we're finally catching up with most the other high-tech countries and 25/5Mbps to 100/40Mbps is a miracle for Australians that want to stream finally! but how does this take so long? Is it really that complicated for them to construct? Are there any Aussies in this forum running the new fiber-optic internet here in Australia? If so what's the speed like and how long was the construction once they started to get to work at it?
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    I could get fiber from at&t right now but honestly there's no point its still slower then my current service with the timewarner cable, costs more, and has a data cap. Almost forgot they charge 200$ to install it if you don't sign up for 2 services.

    Just be glad you are getting it at all. It probably will be another 20 years before 100+ mbit is affordable over here unless google starts rolling out nationwide.
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    I'm with lockblock on this one, you should count yourself lucky that they've given you a firm time frame. The town I live in has a population of 30k, but it is still in rural Ohio, no one is saying anything about a time frame for fiber in our area.

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    Meanwhile my area doesn't even have an ETA yet at all. All I know is that we're getting it.. way off in the future after Labor loses the next election.

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    It depends, lining up workers, securing right of ways. Things can get time intensive. I love my Verizon Fios. More shows and speeds that crush it into the ground for the same price.

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    There needs to be another generation of xDSL technologies with greatly improved DSPs (if that's even physically possible) and that will nicely cushion the transition to end-user fiber over the coming decades. Copper may be coming to an end but there's still some life left in it.

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    I'll be lucky to be above what I have at all in the next 8 years.

    They're already pushing to enforce tighter bandwidth caps, because apparently 60gb/month is being abused.

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    Haha that's nothing. I live in Northern Michigan and just at the end of my street has cable and DSL but not on down my street. I live in the country. er well Forest actually.

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    Gotta love portugal, we are broke as hell in mostly everything but atleast we have fiber everywhere, might just sell it to pay our debt!

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    Well, at least you know you'll get good Internet in the future! : )

    I live in a city with more than five million people in the metropolitan area, and I'm lucky if I break 1.5mb/s.

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    Penrith area is apparently getting it end of next year, that's all fine and dandy but I'm not too fussed since I'm on optus cable and get upto 100mbps at times. Even if the upload speed isnt that great I can live with it for now.
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    My area isnt even shaded on the map yet so 2015+ which is lame. I live in a city too, so I'm a little confused on why my suburb is skipped.

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    I so annoyed I live in Bargara which is a small town just outside of Bundaberg, that close most people think its a suburb. Bundy is getting it in 2013 and they stop just short of Bargara it bullshit they should do it all in the one hit.

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    I'm not sure where so many Australians get this idea that we're so far behind the rest of the world.

    In the cities, we're on par with the rest of the world. It's the country that's behind (which, if you ask our American friends that live in rural Ohio, they'll confirm that they have similarly bad internet I bet) but still not that bad.

    Obviously there's a few exceptions, Japan and the Scandinavian countries have ridiculous internet, but most don't (England, Canada, USA all have similar internet for big chunks of the country).

    And more importantly, it makes almost no difference. I don't have fibre but I have cable internet that runs at 100Mbit (ie, the same as fibre anyway). Testing has shown we get 80Mbit/s on speed testing websites, which is likely what you'll see on fibre. But, no website offers that, most will give you a maximum of a few hundred KB/s (ie, no better than ADSL) and p2p won't be any better because of the way it opens lots of connections to download small chunks of a file. Steam is about the only thing I've seen vastly greater performance on and rarely get above 3MB/s (so we're using about 4-5% of our bandwidth).

    Also, the small hop between you and your ISP will make no difference to latency for US based servers and minimal to aussie based servers (may be different for people living in Sydney though since the servers are there so your connection to your ISP is a big chunk of your connection).

    Upon saying all of that, I find that I have an extremely stable connection nowadays compared to ADSL.

    On a side note, I just thought of an awesome example with a storm water drain being compared to a garden hose but both only have the amount of water going through it that fits in a garden hose.

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    You realize that even an area as small as the UK has been in a fibre rollout since 2010, but the government has dedicated themselves to provide everyone in the country with access to at least 2Mbps by 2015. Right now, there's still an extremely large amount of the UK that can't access fibre. I'm extremely lucky in that i'm in an area that has it's own regional fibre network, but if i wanted to stay with BT Wholesale, i'd need to wait until we had a rollout date.

    Right now, i've got to go with a local ISP as opposed to a national one (and unfortunately, this local ISP doesn't advertise much in areas i'd usually read and it was more luck than anything that i found out about them). The upside to this is that they've gotten 4.5/5 stars on most sites that they're rated on, and that you're not hardcapped to a speed if you go with their "Max" package. For £35 a month, you might get 70Mb/s, or 80Mb/s, or even 125Mb/s in some cases. They push the max speed possible down your line, but if you can't get much more than 40Mb/s, they won't charge you for anything above their 40Mb/s package (which is £22.50 a month for 40/2, or £25 for 40/10). It would have cost me £50 in installation fees, but i was lucky in that until December 31st, they're offering it free. However, the national rollout of fibre continues, and as said, there's still a large number of areas that don't have access to it.

    I live around 7-8 miles from Sheffield, which is one of the major UK cities. There's fibre in some areas near me, but there's more that don't have it. Everyone can get on the regional network (well, 80% of people can), but very few have access to the national one because the infrastructure just isn't in place everywhere yet.

    It's not as simple as putting a cable in the ground. There's hardware in the exchange to be upgraded, hardware in the cabinets, new cabinets to add alongside them. This costs money, but it also takes time. Australia is a huge place, much bigger than the UK. It's rather logical it'd take more time. As a matter of fact, BT brought forward their projected completion date from the end of 2015 to Spring of 2014 (at which point they want to have 2/3 of the UK on "superfast 40Mb/s broadband"), but only because they hired an absolute load of extra engineers.

    They're trialing 330Mb/s services in a few select areas, presumably in preparation to allow a rapid expansion once the initial fibre is in place (as it's a case of upgrading the exchanges, cabinets, and then fibre to homes -- right now, the majority of the work lies with getting fibre to the exchanges and cabinets). Honestly, by 2020, we'll look back and be all "this 100Mb/s service is so slow". I'm actually quite confident that by 2020, 1Gb/s services will be available to homes in every developed country. Maybe not everywhere in the country, but in select areas.

    Right now, the average speed of the world is 12.4Mb/s. The average speed in Jan 2008 (so let's say 5 years) was 4.2Mb/s. That means that each and every year, the average has gone up by 1.64Mb/s. Interestingly, these stats are almost identical to the ones for Australia. For the UK, the average in Jan 2008 was 4.06Mb/s. Now, it's 18.02Mb/s. That means that each year, our average increased by 2.79Mb/s. However, it's extremely important to note that in March 2012, the average UK speed was 12.47Mb/s, so in the past 8-9 months, we've seen a massive 5.55Mb/s increase, so it's expected our yearly increase will be around 7.4Mb/s. You do have to give consideration to the Olympics in the summer, but also that we've had some of the worst weather on record this year. What's more interesting is that it doesn't look like the increase has stopped yet and it could increase just as much next year. Australia's climb has been slower, but it's not stopped by any means.

    Laying fibre is a massive task. 500 square miles took since 2008, and it's aiming for 98% coverage by the end of this year. To cover Australia is just a massive undertaking so it's all about being patient. I do know your frustration. I've been there. It's something you've got no control over, and i think that's what's worst about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synthaxx View Post
    Laying fibre is a massive task. 500 square miles took since 2008, and it's aiming for 98% coverage by the end of this year. To cover Australia is just a massive undertaking so it's all about being patient. I do know your frustration. I've been there. It's something you've got no control over, and i think that's what's worst about it.
    Remember, Australia is 7,618,000 km² or 2941326.3mi². That's a *lot* more than 500 square miles.

    The best bit about fibre though, is once the cables are laid, the end points just need to be upgraded to increase speeds fast.

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    More annoyed DotA 2 is getting Australian servers and is smaller than its competitor League of Legends. Blizzard is still the gaming giant though yet.. :/ (no aus servers </3)

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    Quote Originally Posted by blitz156 View Post
    More annoyed DotA 2 is getting Australian servers and is smaller than its competitor League of Legends. Blizzard is still the gaming giant though yet.. :/ (no aus servers </3)
    I wish blizzard would put in WoW servers here, they've got more than enough resources and money to make it happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stuck4cash View Post
    Steam is about the only thing I've seen vastly greater performance on and rarely get above 3MB/s (so we're using about 4-5% of our bandwidth).
    Correction: If you get 3MB/s from Steam, you are using 24% of your bandwidth.

    I've got 70/10 here, which can give me a total of 8.75MB/s from Steam if that is the only program using bandwidth. Which I actually have occasionally hit (think I peaked at 8.8 once actually) when my girlfriend is not home and when steam hasn't had immense traffic.

    I friend of mine told me that 8megabit equals to about 1megabyte.


    OT: Glad to hear Australia is rolling out fiber though! I'm heading to Melbourne in march to study there for three years, and I am not looking forward to the sudden steep pricing of the Australian internet coupled with your slow speeds. Maybe when I'm done there, the quality of the internet is somewhat "scandinavian". :P

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    As others said be glad they have put date for you as I live in QLD and my area atm has no schedule for fiber yet and also I am stuck on adsl 1 (150kb/s).

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