View Poll Results: Should circumcision be the person's own choice?

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  1. #1381
    The studies they make are on Kenyans. Like... seriously.
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  2. #1382
    Quote Originally Posted by LilSaihah View Post
    But yeah the health benefits are minor. If you need to clean it you can just pull it back, it's not rocket science. Maybe if you live in the 1400s or some other time or place where being clean isn't a concept then circumcising your boys would be a good idea.
    I have a family member. He is not circumcised. He is one of the cleanest people you will ever meet. Germophobe, super clean and tidy. He has had more than one Urinary Tract Infection and they have been so, SO painful. If he can get one in his later years being as clean as he is, I think the benefit of not having to worry as much about a UTI is a great health benefit. It's not like you don't clean it just because you're circumcised.
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  3. #1383
    And I ask again, how does a flap of skin prevent or cause urinary infections?
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  4. #1384
    Quote Originally Posted by pateuvasiliu View Post
    And I ask again, how does a flap of skin prevent or cause urinary infections?
    The urinary tract can be infected from above (by bacteria entering the kidneys from the bloodstream and travelling downward) or from below (by bacteria entering the urethra and travelling upward).

    Infections from above are often seen in newborns seen with generalized infection or sepsis. If there are many bacteria in the bloodstream, some are likely to get through the filters of the kidney to the urine. This is especially likely if the filters are immature, or if there are a lot of bacteria.

    In older children and adults infection most often starts from below. In small children still using diapers, stool (which is largely bacteria) can sit for some time right at the meatus; the longer it sits there, the more likely it is that bacteria may enter the urethra. Baby boys are less likely to have this happen because the head of the penis isn't as likely to sit in stool. (Note, though, that bacteria can hang out in any moist, warm area, and that UTI's in boys under 1 year old seem to happens more often in uncircumcised boys than in circumcised boys since bacteria can accumulate beneath the foreskin.) Sexually active teenage boys and adult men are prone to UTI's because of friction at the meatus, which tends to push bacteria into the urethra (urinating after intercourse helps avoid UTI's)
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  5. #1385
    How does the health argument even enter into it, for those living in first world nations?

    Are people in this day and age incapable of cleaning under their foreskin? Or unwilling to, out of sheer laziness? The health argument is borderline absurd. The foreskin protects the glands from harm [and provides significant sexual stimulus at that], just as the nails protect the fingers and hair keeps the head warm. You don't see religious arguments being made for the removal of nails/hails on medical grounds.

    Circumcision is mutilation and I detest the idea of a child having a part of their penis removed because of religious observances that have no part in the modern world. Remarkable to think that people still persist in defending male circumcicion, but fall awfully quiet when the topic of female circumcision is raised. It's totally unnecessary in this day and age, particularly when you live in a modern society and you've access to soap, showers and information pertaining to personal hygiene.

  6. #1386
    Quote Originally Posted by watlol View Post
    How does the health argument even enter into it, for those living in first world nations?

    Are people in this day and age incapable of cleaning under their foreskin? Or unwilling to, out of sheer laziness? The health argument is borderline absurd. The foreskin protects the glands from harm [and provides significant sexual stimulus at that], just as the nails protect the fingers and hair keeps the head warm. You don't see religious arguments being made for the removal of nails/hails on medical grounds.

    Circumcision is mutilation and I detest the idea of a child having a part of their penis removed because of religious observances that have no part in the modern world. Remarkable to think that people still persist in defending male circumcicion, but fall awfully quiet when the topic of female circumcision is raised. It's totally unnecessary in this day and age, particularly when you live in a modern society and you've access to soap, showers and information pertaining to personal hygiene.
    I said this earlier about hygiene. Doesn't matter how clean you are.
    I have a family member. He is not circumcised. He is one of the cleanest people you will ever meet. Germophobe, super clean and tidy. He has had more than one Urinary Tract Infection and they have been so, SO painful. If he can get one in his later years being as clean as he is, I think the benefit of not having to worry as much about a UTI is a great health benefit. It's not like you don't clean it just because you're circumcised.
    And I am not going to be quiet about what you are calling "female circumcision". There's no such thing. It's called Female Genital Mutilation, and that is absolutely and completely different. Women don't have foreskin. Cutting off external genitalia, makes intercourse hurt painfully, and is mainly done to stop women from having sex. Cutting off foreskin does not affect sexual performance or pleasure. Even moreso when done as a baby.
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    I had a circumcision when I was 4, I had no say in it. It wasn't out of religion, more out of necessity (if they wouldn't have done it I might have lost my willy :S ) I'd rather have a bald(= also more hygiënic) one then none at all
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  8. #1388
    Quote Originally Posted by Symphonic View Post
    I said this earlier about hygiene. Doesn't matter how clean you are.


    And I am not going to be quiet about what you are calling "female circumcision". There's no such thing. It's called Female Genital Mutilation, and that is absolutely and completely different. Women don't have foreskin. Cutting off external genitalia, makes intercourse hurt painfully, and is mainly done to stop women from having sex. Cutting off foreskin does not affect sexual performance or pleasure. Even moreso when done as a baby.
    Any idea what the odds are or what percent of a risked increase someone is of getting a UTI because they're uncircumcised? No offense, but just because you know someone who had that problem, doesn't mean it's unrare. Just because x is more likely to get y disease, doesn't mean it's not a 0.5 chance or something. I just wouldn't want to have an argument over something like that without knowing how big of a difference it makes. And no, the fact that there's even a small chance doesn't make it a good argument either, since there are ways of preventing UTI's as a male.

    From what I've seen, UTI's because you're uncircumcised are pretty non-existant, unless you're dirty. Honestly saying the health benefits of being circumcised make it be worth it, I really just don't believe it.

  9. #1389
    Quote Originally Posted by RüneRS View Post
    I had a circumcision when I was 4, I had no say in it. It wasn't out of religion, more out of necessity (if they wouldn't have done it I might have lost my willy :S ) I'd rather have a bald(= also more hygiënic) one then none at all
    I don't think anybody would argue against being circumcised due to medical complications, such as the potential loss of the penis because the foreskin is cutting off circulation. What people do hold issue with is people advocating male mutiliation on religious or hygienic grounds. There's plenty of bodily parts that require attentions: hair, nails, or even limbs. You don't see people advocating the amputation or removal of these parts because some desert dwelling tribe [without proper education or access to medicine or hygiene] said you should thousands of years ago. There's plenty of religious practices that have fallen by the wayside over the centuries, mainly as a result of scientific advances -- it's just a shame that circumcision isn't held up and mocked as an absurd and out dated concept.


    "Last laugh's on you guys, I had the snip when I was a kid. That means I don't need to wash my cock because I'm not going to get germs! Think of me when you spend 2 minutes washing your penis in the shower, I'll be out doing more productive thngs."

    The germs argument is just absurd. Pure laziness on the part of the parent to not educate the child [you can teach them to brush their teeth, but not clean their foreskin, what?] or if the circumcised is an adult, pure laziness on their own part if advocating the germ "argument".

    In many ways, I've got the best of both worlds. I've got a fully stimulated penis that is more receiptive to touch than those who have been mutilated, which improves my sex life considerably. It's protected by the glands from harm, and what's more is I don't have the issue of vegetable gardens or fungus growing under my skin. Why? Because I know how to wash the damn thing.

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    From a female perspective I wish every guy was circumcised. What guy in their right mind would willingly get it done as an adult?

    As for uncircumcised... I admittedly only have one experience and it was a major turn off. Disgusting. ALL of my girlfriends agree with me. Sure you can teach a guy to be clean, and I'm sure some are. But I've seen the way a lot of guys live, and looking at their cleaning habits in public, I doubt it's any different downstairs. For some, not all.

    I say keep doing it the way their doing it.

  11. #1391
    Quote Originally Posted by pvtpyro View Post
    From a female perspective I wish every guy was circumcised. What guy in their right mind would willingly get it done as an adult?

    As for uncircumcised... I admittedly only have one experience and it was a major turn off. Disgusting. ALL of my girlfriends agree with me. Sure you can teach a guy to be clean, and I'm sure some are. But I've seen the way a lot of guys live, and looking at their cleaning habits in public, I doubt it's any different downstairs. For some, not all.

    I say keep doing it the way their doing it.
    Congratlations on coming across as a complete and utter retard for justifying the mutilation of the male gender because of one bad experience.

    It says more about your choice in men, than anything about the link between cleanliness and circumcision. Congratulations, you go for dirty guys.


    Imagine the furore if we were wishing every woman suffered female mutilation. Fuck it.

  12. #1392
    Quote Originally Posted by pvtpyro View Post
    From a female perspective I wish every guy was circumcised. What guy in their right mind would willingly get it done as an adult?

    As for uncircumcised... I admittedly only have one experience and it was a major turn off. Disgusting. ALL of my girlfriends agree with me. Sure you can teach a guy to be clean, and I'm sure some are. But I've seen the way a lot of guys live, and looking at their cleaning habits in public, I doubt it's any different downstairs. For some, not all.

    I say keep doing it the way their doing it.
    Well I don't give a crap what other people think about my appereances, and I'm certainly not going to modify it (or anything else in my body) just to suit other people's taste. What if I told you I don't like tits ala natural? Pardon me but you come off as a very shallow person.

  13. #1393
    Quote Originally Posted by pvtpyro View Post
    From a female perspective I wish every guy was circumcised. What guy in their right mind would willingly get it done as an adult?

    As for uncircumcised... I admittedly only have one experience and it was a major turn off. Disgusting. ALL of my girlfriends agree with me. Sure you can teach a guy to be clean, and I'm sure some are. But I've seen the way a lot of guys live, and looking at their cleaning habits in public, I doubt it's any different downstairs. For some, not all.

    I say keep doing it the way their doing it.
    Way to piss off over half the male population. Just like cut penis's, uncuts all look different. And when erect there's very little difference.

  14. #1394
    Quote Originally Posted by chocobo606 View Post
    Any idea what the odds are or what percent of a risked increase someone is of getting a UTI because they're uncircumcised? No offense, but just because you know someone who had that problem, doesn't mean it's unrare. Just because x is more likely to get y disease, doesn't mean it's not a 0.5 chance or something. I just wouldn't want to have an argument over something like that without knowing how big of a difference it makes. And no, the fact that there's even a small chance doesn't make it a good argument either, since there are ways of preventing UTI's as a male.

    From what I've seen, UTI's because you're uncircumcised are pretty non-existant, unless you're dirty. Honestly saying the health benefits of being circumcised make it be worth it, I really just don't believe it.
    Honestly not sure about the rates of UTI for uncircumcised in adulthood, but I know that before the age of one it's 1 in 100 for uncircumcised, and 1 in 1,000 for circumcised. Ten times less chance.
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  15. #1395
    Quote Originally Posted by RüneRS View Post
    I had a circumcision when I was 4, I had no say in it. It wasn't out of religion, more out of necessity (if they wouldn't have done it I might have lost my willy :S ) I'd rather have a bald(= also more hygiënic) one then none at all
    Yeah but dude thats an exceptional circumstance though.

    The argument here is whether it shouldn't be done on babies since it is a procedure that carries risk and one that recent studies have concluded doesn't really offer any actual credible health benefits. On the contrary, in addition to the risk to the baby there is loss of sensitive tissue in an area which should have it the most.

    It is how nature (and God if you happen to believe in that stuff - I don't) intended it, just like nature intended you to have 2 arms and 2 legs. Now you may have to make sure you clean your arms and legs....but chopping them off or mutilating them is surely not a viable alternative you would agree, no?

    If someone would like circumcision for whatever reason, cosmetic and/or religious....they can have it done when they are old enough to legally consent to it much like any other cosmetic surgical procedure. Don't do it to babies who can't consent. It is mutilation by definition if done without consent.

    EDIT: I am glad you and your 'willy' made it however, that ordeal sounds scary.

  16. #1396
    I guess maybe its more important in hot countries, where sweat might be an issue, but its generally not done in the UK - I remember in the shower at school, some guys had it cut, some didnt - no one gave a fuck. Is it really the case in the USA where people would be shunned for not having abit of skin cut off? - it makes very little difference either way - some doctors are for it, some against it - all i know is my grandfather wasnt cut, my father wasnt, I am not, and my son wont be -

  17. #1397
    A few points
    *This is NOTHING NOTHING like female genital mutilation. Thats a horrific practice that takes away a functional part of the anatomy designed to keep a woman down. There is no good intentions or benefit perceived or otherwise. It is truly horrific and saying circumcision is like it cheapens the problem woman face and exaggerates this so called issue.

    *As someone in the first few posts said, 20 years ago 80% had it done. Its was normal. Most people here should be around that age so it is normal to us. As being the norm, keeping the foreskin was considered abnormal. Its the way we were brought up. I am very happy with my circumcision. It looks better by far if nothing else.
    (I got no fkn idea how Id teach my son to clean it. -To the interweb!)

    This is the same I have heard in any conversation. Woman like the circumcised penis. They get the creeps from a circumcised one. Then again I am of the age where most my partners and friends grew up with it. Its the norm. New wave of teens, new way to change the world, its nothing new.
    Quote Originally Posted by pvtpyro View Post
    From a female perspective I wish every guy was circumcised. What guy in their right mind would willingly get it done as an adult?

    As for uncircumcised... I admittedly only have one experience and it was a major turn off. Disgusting. ALL of my girlfriends agree with me. Sure you can teach a guy to be clean, and I'm sure some are. But I've seen the way a lot of guys live, and looking at their cleaning habits in public, I doubt it's any different downstairs. For some, not all.

    I say keep doing it the way their doing it.

  18. #1398
    Of course it should, baptism too.

  19. #1399
    Quote Originally Posted by pvtpyro View Post
    From a female perspective I wish every guy was circumcised. What guy in their right mind would willingly get it done as an adult?
    Oh yeah? Well from a male perspective then I wish every woman had breast implants before they are old enough to consent to getting them. They shouldn't even have a say in it, their parents should just go ahead and do it for them since thats what their future romantic partners will desire right? That is all that matters in a relationship ofcourse. A circumcised penis and great big breasts.

    How do you like my "male perspective" then ma'am? You obviously must agree with this considering what you just wrote down.


    Quote Originally Posted by pvtpyro View Post
    As for uncircumcised... I admittedly only have one experience and it was a major turn off. Disgusting. ALL of my girlfriends agree with me.
    I have had just one experience with a small/medium breasted woman with a modest physique and it was a major turn off. Just plain disgusting how inadequate she was. Why can't all women just get themselves breast implants and liposuction surgery? ALL of my guy friends agree with me. So I must be right.

    I am sure you agree with me too of course though right? Considering your words here.


    Quote Originally Posted by pvtpyro View Post
    Sure you can teach a guy to be clean, and I'm sure some are. But I've seen the way a lot of guys live, and looking at their cleaning habits in public, I doubt it's any different downstairs. For some, not all. I say keep doing it the way their doing it.
    Sure you can teach a woman to dress and carry herself well, but it just isn't enough and most can't even manage the basics of it right.

    I've seen it myself so it must be true of course.

    So yeah lets give every unwilling female child breast implants and a lipo procedure. Approved by you and others like yourself of course.

    If you haven't caught my blatantly obvious sarcasm yet, I pity the man who chose/will choose you. Congratulations on trying to justify the mutilation of babies so you can find their genitals more attractive when they grow up. You are despicable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pvtpyro View Post
    From a female perspective I wish every guy was circumcised. What guy in their right mind would willingly get it done as an adult?

    As for uncircumcised... I admittedly only have one experience and it was a major turn off. Disgusting. ALL of my girlfriends agree with me. Sure you can teach a guy to be clean, and I'm sure some are. But I've seen the way a lot of guys live, and looking at their cleaning habits in public, I doubt it's any different downstairs. For some, not all.

    I say keep doing it the way their doing it.
    Even after you shower its kind of impossible to be 100% clean if your wearing boxers or something. Regardless of whether or not your circumsized, its something thats hanging out of the body so ofc itl get dirty, if your having sex in a public bathroom or somewhere trashy then dont expect a dick you can eat off ¬_¬.

    Most guys jump in the bathroom and clean up before sex anyway and its not like every women smells of summer berries down their either.

    Circumcision wouldnt really keep it any more or less clean, it just mutilates a part of your body. I would hate to be circumsized, sex would be alot shittier.

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