“The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons.” - Emerson
I'd still like to have the control of my own body as opposed to being forced to give birth or being forced to abort.
Close your eyes and smile.
[15:53] <PizzaSHARK> you have such a cute accent! ^_^
However, I was even agreeing with you that sometimes a hormonal woman takes it out on their partner. I understand that. I even do it from time to time, and then I feel shitty about it because my poor husband deserves only the nicest kindest care. But he takes it like a trooper, knowing that it's because of what we've decided to do, and that's how it should be--not bitching about it to everyone on the internet. I tell you what, we'll dose you up with some of these hormones and see how friendly you feel. Would that be fair?
Isadorr, I am going to give you a little weapon here.
It's called: Couvade syndrome
The nice part is that some people feel it's biological, others psychosomatic, but for the one suffering it, it is real.
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RE: Couvade syndrome
Edit: why is it important to know this? Because threw all these studies done on it, we can say that threw a pregnancy there is a chemical change in the male if he is present threw the proccess, and post partum. Why does this matter? Because the sexist game that, "the male suffers nothing" is not true, unless you don't believe in science.
your sperm doesn't change into a living breathing form, either. the sperm does its job and dies.
you cannot force a woman to stay pregnant so you can be a father. and being a father doesn't mean you're going to be forced to pay child support, though most likely you will. but again: if you can't trust the woman you're with to take YOUR opinion into consideration and to care about you past a one-night stand, why do you want to have a kid with her and be strapped to her for 18 years?
Last edited by Fairelight; 2012-12-06 at 07:37 PM.
You do see the divorce rate and marriage rate right? And the fewest babies being born in america? Care to take a guess why lol? Younger women who work out and arent interested in kids like old women are now who have kids. I wasnt bitching my inital statement that if men have to pay for 18 years of child support then they should have a say in the abortion or not to abort.
That's beside though point though, and something that's not going to be an issue with a situation like this, along with the people saying that the Men have to "deal with the pregnant woman". In a situation like we're talking about most of the time the man and women aren't going to be together. If you can't come to an agreement on how to deal with a pregnancy I can almost guarantee you're not going to be in a relationship with the person anymore and thus not going to have to "deal with them". Pretty sure Couvade syndrome doesn't happen to men that only see pregnant women every so often.
the father should have a say, but the woman has ultimate say as she is who has to carry the baby to term or deal with the abortion at the end of the day. you shouldn't be able to order a woman to have your kid if she doesn't want to. in the reverse i should think if the man does not agree to have the kid they shouldn't be financially responsible for it simply because the woman decides to have it (you want to have it and he doesn't? good luck paying for it!)
I agree there is a quantity difference in pain and what you have to deal with, but both parties when present get shit during the whole
The thing you have to understand too is the, psychological aspect on a guy present with you during the whole thing.
Again its not = but the guilt of seeing your wife sick all the time, commonly creates a psychosomatic responce and you end up occupying the sink as often, as she is the toilet.
The key there is, A PRESENT male. You aren't suffering alone when you are not alone. ^_^
Edit:If some prick leaves you to your own devices, I'm sure he will never even get .0001% of whats going on, ya know?
Also, when I referred to you "bitching", I wasn't meaning your initial argument of child support and abortion. I don't agree with your position, but I wouldn't call it bitching. However, I find that your statement that men go through physically and emotionally the same things as women to be erroneous, and your testimony of your friend on the rag to be either exaggerated or unfortunate, and you should not base all women off these samples that are in your immediate vicinity.
Also, the comment was directed not just at you, but at others who feel that it's so hard to deal with a pregnant woman that you might as well be considered pregnant yourself. How do you think we feel, going through the mood swings, knowing how we're affecting you? :P
I know it tears me to pieces sometimes.