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    Quote Originally Posted by Umchilli View Post
    Your reply is THE definition of selfishness and arrogance.
    No, you believing you should have control over someone elses body is. Just because the child contains your genetic code does not give you the right to control anothers body.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Umchilli View Post
    I'd agree if it was some random guy you don't care about, but since he's the father that means that two of you would be really close, and if a woman wouldn't like the guy at that point, it would be probably because he forced her to give a birth and otherwise she'd like him so I think it's unfair to say she's giving birth to someone she's not in good relations with.

    But if women have absolute decisions over abortion, father should have the ability to give up all responsibilities towards the child if the mother decides to keep it and he wants an abortion.
    If it was a good relationship he wouldn't make her have a baby she doesn't want. We aren't talking about a couple here. Couples that care about each other know beforehand if they want children or not. We are talking about accidents, one night stands, casual sex, and so on.

    No man would tell the woman he loves she has to have his baby when she doesn't want it. And the 'men should be able to drop the mom/kid before the abortion time frame is over without being stuck paying for it' discussion happened many pages ago, and almost everyone agreed. That's not what's being discussed now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myrrar View Post
    If it was a good relationship he wouldn't make her have a baby she doesn't want. We aren't talking about a couple here. Couples that care about each other know beforehand if they want children or not. We are talking about accidents, one night stands, casual sex, and so on.

    No man would tell the woman he loves she has to have his baby when she doesn't want it. And the 'men should be able to drop the mom/kid before the abortion time frame is over without being stuck paying for it' discussion happened many pages ago, and almost everyone agreed. That's not what's being discussed now.
    What about relationships in which they both want the baby and then after the woman gets pregnant she changes her mind and thinks it's not for her? I really can't have any sympathy there.

  4. #1844
    Quote Originally Posted by Tiili View Post
    No, you believing you should have control over someone elses body is. Just because the child contains your genetic code does not give you the right to control anothers body.
    then you are also saying it's not fair for a man who DOESN'T want a child to have to support the child when the woman chooses to have it. right now men have no choices after conception, women do.

    this is why i laugh at all equality bullshit. nobody has EVER ONCE IN HUMAN HISTORY wanted equality, they've wanted the upperhand and they know that sounds bad, so they say they want equality

    equality is men choosing not to have to support a child that the woman could have had aborted if she'd chose to, and it's men not having to abide by the archaic 'don't hit women' rule that's been around forever

    equality is all the bad shit too

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    Quote Originally Posted by fizzbob View Post
    then you are also saying it's not fair for a man who DOESN'T want a child to have to support the child when the woman chooses to have it

    this is why i laugh at all equality bullshit. nobody has EVER ONCE IN HUMAN HISTORY wanted equality, they've wanted the upperhand and they know that sounds bad, so they say they want equality

    equality is men choosing not to have to support a child that the woman could have had aborted if she'd chose to, and it's men not having to abide by the archaic 'don't hit women' rule that's been around forever

    equality is all the bad shit too

    OH MY GOD

    I'm getting so annoyed having to relink my thoughts about what if a woman wants to keep a child
    http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...3#post19333533

    This is what I think about if I DID get pregnant with my current partner

    http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...2#post19351962

    Quote Originally Posted by Umchilli View Post
    What about relationships in which they both want the baby and then after the woman gets pregnant she changes her mind and thinks it's not for her? I really can't have any sympathy there.
    Too bad for the man in that case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fizzbob View Post
    then you are also saying it's not fair for a man who DOESN'T want a child to have to support the child when the woman chooses to have it. right now men have no choices after conception, women do.

    this is why i laugh at all equality bullshit. nobody has EVER ONCE IN HUMAN HISTORY wanted equality, they've wanted the upperhand and they know that sounds bad, so they say they want equality

    equality is men choosing not to have to support a child that the woman could have had aborted if she'd chose to, and it's men not having to abide by the archaic 'don't hit women' rule that's been around forever

    equality is all the bad shit too
    Why should people who bear inherently unequal burdens be treated equally in what powers they have to deal with them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myrrar View Post
    If it was a good relationship he wouldn't make her have a baby she doesn't want. We aren't talking about a couple here. Couples that care about each other know beforehand if they want children or not. We are talking about accidents, one night stands, casual sex, and so on.

    No man would tell the woman he loves she has to have his baby when she doesn't want it. And the 'men should be able to drop the mom/kid before the abortion time frame is over without being stuck paying for it' discussion happened many pages ago, and almost everyone agreed. That's not what's being discussed now.
    that's really fucking stupid to say. you act like COMPROMISE means ALWAYS GIVING IN. if a woman doesn't want a baby, she should get her tubes tied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Umchilli View Post
    What about relationships in which they both want the baby and then after the woman gets pregnant she changes her mind and thinks it's not for her? I really can't have any sympathy there.
    Again, that's a relationship. In adult relationships you care about what your spouse wants and you compromise. Maybe they agree they do want a kid, but later. Maybe he sees how badly she doesn't want it and is understanding. Maybe she sees how badly he wants it and she's understanding. In the end, it's her body so she should get the choice.

    Quote Originally Posted by fizzbob View Post
    then you are also saying it's not fair for a man who DOESN'T want a child to have to support the child when the woman chooses to have it. right now men have no choices after conception, women do.

    this is why i laugh at all equality bullshit. nobody has EVER ONCE IN HUMAN HISTORY wanted equality, they've wanted the upperhand and they know that sounds bad, so they say they want equality

    equality is men choosing not to have to support a child that the woman could have had aborted if she'd chose to, and it's men not having to abide by the archaic 'don't hit women' rule that's been around forever

    equality is all the bad shit too
    No she's not. Why are you assuming she doesn't support that men can bail before the child is born while giving up all rights?

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    No she's not. Why are you assuming she doesn't support that men can bail before the child is born while giving up all rights?
    Because then you can attack females for the great inequality! And because people are too lazy to actually read stuff, jumping to assumptions ftw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiili View Post

    Too bad for the man in that case.
    'Equality'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Umchilli View Post
    'Equality'
    Control over someones elses body equals to "equality" in your eyes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Why should people who bear inherently unequal burdens be treated equally in what powers they have to deal with them?
    9 months of labor or 19+ years and thousands of dollars

    as always, women don't have it as bad as they want you to believe. if courts can force men, who have an inherently unequal burden of the costs of raising a family, to pay against their will to even have a child, then they can force women to have a child that the man wants. absolve her of everything after that, but until men can opt out of supporting their kid, women shouldn't be able to opt out of having the kid.

    there are multiple ways to avoid pregnancy, it should be equal in the rights of both sides to deal with it and right now men have no power at all.

    so like i said, nobody who has fought for equality ever wants equality. women damn sure don't or i wouldn't have to tell them how unequal men are treated. they'd see and fix it.

  13. #1853
    Quote Originally Posted by fizzbob View Post
    then you are also saying it's not fair for a man who DOESN'T want a child to have to support the child when the woman chooses to have it. right now men have no choices after conception, women do.

    this is why i laugh at all equality bullshit. nobody has EVER ONCE IN HUMAN HISTORY wanted equality, they've wanted the upperhand and they know that sounds bad, so they say they want equality

    equality is men choosing not to have to support a child that the woman could have had aborted if she'd chose to, and it's men not having to abide by the archaic 'don't hit women' rule that's been around forever

    equality is all the bad shit too
    I dont know of anyone that wants equality for EVERYTHING, but you have to use judgement in what situations can be equal or not. Equal pay for men and women doing the same job? Yes. Equal rights over abortion? No.

    And whats archaic about not hitting women? Its one of those cultural things that some men associate with being a gentleman and not looking like a wuss. Its like you verses a heavyweight boxer. Who's going to hit who harder? My money is on the boxer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiili View Post
    Control over someones elses body equals to "equality" in your eyes?
    you know how many men would put up with 9 months of pregnancy instead of 19+ years of raising a kid they don't want, or even just having to financially support it?

    lol at equality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fizzbob View Post
    that's really fucking stupid to say. you act like COMPROMISE means ALWAYS GIVING IN. if a woman doesn't want a baby, she should get her tubes tied.
    lol, I really hope you're kidding.

    1. Until you have your 1st child they wont even perform that operation unless it's life threateningly needed.
    2. Not wanting a child now =/= never wanting a child. I mean really, that's not exactly a hard concept.

    There is a difference between 'always giving in' and pregnancy. They aren't baking you a cake. Argue ridiculously with you want, it doesn't really make a point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fizzbob View Post
    you know how many men would put up with 9 months of pregnancy instead of 19+ years of raising a kid they don't want, or even just having to financially support it?

    lol at equality.
    Money is not the same as your body changing. Money is a concept invented by humans to pay for services/living, pregnancy is not.

    AND

    http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...3#post19333533

    Did you even read my thoughts about it before jumping at me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alixie View Post
    I dont know of anyone that wants equality for EVERYTHING, but you have to use judgement in what situations can be equal or not. Equal pay for men and women doing the same job? Yes. Equal rights over abortion? No.

    And whats archaic about not hitting women? Its one of those cultural things that some men associate with being a gentleman and not looking like a wuss. Its like you verses a heavyweight boxer. Who's going to hit who harder? My money is on the boxer.
    really doesn't matter what you think, if a woman can abort a kid to secure her future she should have no issues with a man signing off to avoid child support to secure his

    of course that's not reality. women want their options and his pay check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fizzbob View Post
    you know how many men would put up with 9 months of pregnancy instead of 19+ years of raising a kid they don't want, or even just having to financially support it?

    lol at equality.
    Again, you are bitching at people who don't agree that men should have to pay child support if they give up their fatherly rights before the abortion period is up. What is the point you are trying to make? That you agree? Ok....

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    Quote Originally Posted by fizzbob View Post
    really doesn't matter what you think, if a woman can abort a kid to secure her future she should have no issues with a man signing off to avoid child support to secure his

    of course that's not reality. women want their options and his pay check.
    Or you could read what people are actually posting and stop making up shit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiili View Post
    Money is not the same as your body changing. Money is a concept invented by humans to pay for services/living, pregnancy is not.

    AND

    http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...3#post19333533

    Did you even read my thoughts about it before jumping at me?
    Money has become so important in modern times that I'm sure over 90% of women would go for 9 months of pregnanc rather then 19 years of paying expensive debts.

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