I have an opinion on this which I coincidentally recently typed out in another thread before I saw this one. Just going to quickly copy-paste what I wrote there since I feel it really applies well to what my response would/should be in this thread:
"At the end of the day, this issue at its core is not about men, women, children or sexism.
It is about leeches, and the flawed legal system that protects, supports and favors them and their leeching process. This needs to be looked at and changed. The system must ensure that both parents contribute a "fair and reasonable share" to the child as a cost of having him/her.
The father should be able to check what his money is being spent on and hold his ex legally accountable if he discovers that it is being squandered on personal luxury rather than the child's present and future essentials.
Also, this also raises the question of "unwanted" kids. If the mother doesn't want the responsibilities, financial or otherwise, of raising children she has protection in the form of the option to have an abortion when she learns of the pregnancy. There needs to be a similar option of protection for men who wish the same, namely 'legal abortion'. Whereby if a man does not wish to have an unborn child or has deliberately not been made aware of the pregnancy, he has the option of legally opting out of fatherhood where he relinquishes both responsibility of the child and his rights as a father. If the mother chooses to have the child in this case she will be the one solely responsible (financially or otherwise) for him/her."
For society it would be better to raise all kids in a specialized institution. The closest thing we have now to that is orphanages - but orphanages have different purpose from what I'm talking about. Orphanage just provides basic support and looks for new "parents" for kids.
I'm talking about "nursery + kinder-garden + school = member of society" kind of institution. The institution that takes full care of children. As in parenting. But done by specialists.
Most parents suck at parenting. Trained specialists would do it way better. For society, that is.
Didn't we already put this discussion to rest? o.x
the "shit about how it makes everything better" is in regards to THAT child. not any other children. not all children. not the parent paying.
As a male, no I do not think so. It's the female who has to go through the downsides of being pregnant and breastfeed the child 24/7. BUT I do think, like has been mentioned in this thread, that he must have the choice of taking the role as the father/upbringer without repercussions.
The one downside to that is that there will probably be an increase in moms singlehandedledly bring up the child. So I'm not super sure about my last point with my limited knowledge.
If the father agrees to sign a legally binding document that states he will be personally responsible for the child till said child is 16-18 I don't see why not.
Women have to much control over children as it is.
But if women have absolute decisions over abortion, father should have the ability to give up all responsibilities towards the child if the mother decides to keep it and he wants an abortion.
Last edited by Umchilli; 2012-12-09 at 09:00 PM.
Question: Should father have any say about abortion?
First giving the father say in a abortion would be unconstitutional so it would never ever happen. Second that idea would turn women in to second class citizens. Third that would set a predicted to further reduce the rights of every woman in America. Forth do you guys understand how complicated changing that would be. If the father can stop a abortion then can he make the mother have one if she does not want to. How would the father know he is the father. Does the mother now have to undergo a invasive medical procedure to prove paternity because a man accuses her of having his kid. Are abortion providers going to keep all the body fluids after a abortion in case of a legal challenge by a man claiming to be the father. That is just the few I can think of off the top of my head. Too many dudes on the internet forums. They come up with such silly ideas.
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Arrogance is all I can say about wanting to control someone elses body/life to that point.
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