in fact, femaledwarf gives top2 place to relic, and even Terror N (2\2, so 504) worse than relic 476, how it can be true?
in fact, femaledwarf gives top2 place to relic, and even Terror N (2\2, so 504) worse than relic 476, how it can be true?
Could be because of the duration. The ICD of TiTM is 105 seconds, so change the duration to a fight that would favor it. Say ~4 minutes. Not sure how it would differ though. Looking at my logs the relic has a higher uptime than TiTM so I will be sticking with that as my BiS.
It even greatens the gap between the two (in favor of Relic > H TiTM) when I sim it. Not sure.
Last edited by Tehstool; 2012-12-06 at 07:59 AM.
straight forward and cpt. obvious answer: because relic has static agi and agi procc, where all other trinkets have second stats as one of the two.
and frankly, agi is still so much better than the other second stats.
and allthough blizz realized this, and gave sockets double the amount of second stats than mainstat, so they could compete (still not quite as good though)
the same thing does not seem to apply to trinkets, where again second stats have to try and compete with agi. (but only on Coren + Relic)
the thing is overall 10s are the vast majority. there are only a handful of "serious" 25s once you get past the heavy hitters like blood legion who at the start of a raid teir run 5-7 25m raids full of alts just to feed gear to the mains, you see a massive shift.
you get the guild that raid only with mains and most of them at 10 man guilds now. I'm not saying the change is a bad idea, i'm just saying its going to force people into 25s. Face it the reality of the player base is even on a server the size of illidan with its 10k+ players there are only 3-4 english speaking 25m guilds that are actually progressing. Getting 25 competent players even in a pool of 10k players is so hard only 4 guilds manage to do it. That is 1% of that servers population.
Raiding is not the problem its the fact that blizzard has done things like make LFR that REWARD stupid play. For example garalon the first day it was in LFR you could not retard charge the boss, so very very very few pugs killed it, they had to nerf EVERY mechanic of the fight because the majority of the player base cannot do something as simple as not run inside of a purple circle on the ground.
Having better loot in 25m is cool for me as i am in a 25m guild, i'm just saying the QQ brigade will flip out over 25m raids getting superior loot again. I think havin the same pieces of loot just with higher ilvl is a smart choice so you do not have to get 1-2 pieces in then 10m version cause of the stat combo like you had to in ICC.
And on the 10% increase... when people kill bosses with 5 minutes left on enrage 10% more HP is nothing and if they have that much left over time 10% more damage is not something they will notice.
There is an argument. H TiTM 2/2 is simming lower than the Relic 2/2 by 90.29 dps for me and they only come close when I change the fight duration to favor H TiTM's ICD/proc. Looking at my logs for almost every single fight, the relic has a higher uptime for me. Which would make the sims favoring H TiTM irrelevant due to being in a real raid environment, it shows that the fights don't favor H TiTM for me.
This is the worst uptime parse that I could find (note that I was the one who was logging):
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/o...?s=1878&e=2189
The fight duration allowed 3 procs on TiTM and 6 with the relic and I got 3 and 6 procs.
28.8% uptime on the relic
19.2% uptime on N TiTM (not H, but it still has the same ICD and works the same)
Now, some of the other parses showing uptimes I have are very close, but I'd rather have agility over crit.
Last edited by Tehstool; 2012-12-07 at 07:09 AM.
I will be keeping my relic 2/2 with H bottle. Upgrading the relic gives me the most bang for the valor, and once I get to the point where I get H terror ill have other pieces to upgrade. I wouldn't upgrade terror and replace the relic until every other piece is 2/2 and that isn't a very realistic goal.
either i missed it or just not brought up
what about
relic (2/2)
titm (lfr)
bottle (lfr)
i guess i shoulda wrote that more clear.
i assumed Rox as 1
i was more so about the 2 others as trinket #2
seems like i can run sims one day and ones xxxdps better than the next day the other is higher..
thanks!
dont know why i never thought to come to this forums.. Always was reading EJ or more so waiting for someone to post again haha
Updated my post
I don't think the difference between Relic and H TitM is that different, however the reason why the Relic is so good is due to a number of factors.
- BM is the dominant hunter spec for the current tier in nearly all fights normal/heroic.
- Relic has high synergy with BM
- Relic has high synergy with Engineering which is also very popular with Hunters
- Agility is much higher stat weight wise compared to crit
Last edited by rustyboy; 2012-12-08 at 01:50 AM.