---------- Post added 2012-12-06 at 08:59 PM ----------
What I love about LFR is the pro's taking bets on how many will fall in Elegon's pit but no one tells players when or how to avoid the pit and then bitch and point fingers at the noobs for falling in. The Pro's are basically setting the party up for fail and then blaming someone else.
God dammit, I run LFR every week and I can't understand where are you guys getting these terrible groups? I see maybe 1 kick per week, not counting the AFK people. I can't believe I'm so lucky to consistently have decent groups.
The night is dark and full of terrors...
I was doing Brawler's Guild the other day. After I die, people tell me the tactic. I don't want you to tell the tactic, I want to figure it out myself!
And the only sure way to never do something again is failing hard at it. Let people fall down on Elegon. They'll never repeat that mistake, ever again (OK, there are exceptions, for example someone could lag on computer/network, DC, or emergency AFK and such).
With someone commanding you what to do, you do not learn the tactic. The telling you to do should at best be a reminder.
"When i am done with you, you won't trust your own mind."
LFR can be brutal sometimes if you don't have a really thick skin (mine is getting thicker, but it's not quite leathery yet). Here's one of my experiences from last week:
I tanked an LFR vaults run and actually had the group call me a "gangsta" in /raid because the other tank didn't know how to avoid the Emperor's Will ground AOE and I ended up tanking both of them for 2-3 minutes until the group downed it. (I took a screen shot of it since praise in an LFR group is unheard of, ha!)
Then in the very next queue, I got put into Terrace. Cool. Again, the other tank was clueless and wasn't moving the Elder's out of the the regen puddles. I'd used taunt and tried to message him/her to move them out but they'd often pull them right back into the puddles. Even though we survived the fight, right after the boss went down, trolls in the group came out of the woodwork. It was like something out of a Monty Python with all the fire and pitchforks. Two of the DPS even /spit on me right before the vote passed and I was kicked. It definitely got my blood boiling. It made me even more mad because I let something like LFR trolls get to me.
I find the best way to run LFR without wanting to kill myself is to ignore everyone and just dps.
Oh wait, is it that I'm supposed to let 5-10 people who just follow along and tunnel vision die and the raid wipe so that I can teach them how to play "the proper way"?
These guys aren't guildees. They aren't friends. I want my LFR to be completed as quickly as possible, so I do everything in my power to ensure that. Including covering retards or people who don't have addons by spelling things out like I would to a small child. Because some of them likely are.
If you don't need that, that's great. I wish no one did. But unfortunately they do.
I don't believe OP was being as polite as they claim
it takes 4 or 5 people to initiate a vote kick and no doubt you were being abusive to people
I've never seen someone kicked for explaining a strat and i've done lfr now every week on about 6 characters.
we vote kicked the top dps the other week because he was constantly talking trash, being at the top doesn't mean anything or give you any excuse for behaviour
Last edited by jonoy8; 2012-12-06 at 11:51 PM.
Also, it's a snowball effect, if one person is shouting loudly that X is causing a wipe and you are wiping consistently most people will just cave in in the hopes things will improve.
Most people are sheep.
... or sheeple as it were.
Its very rare for someone to get kicked from LFR for *NO* reason. Most times people who complain about getting booted are leaving out half the story; most people get booted for:
-Being lazy and not running back after a wipe/going AFK and not accepting a rez.
-Refusing to play the role they were assigned (just the other day I had a healer who was in ret spec and gear and would not heal).
-Being flat-out bad. Usually its a healer or tank who gets the boot.
-Being a rude, obnoxious asshat.
I seem to vote kick the latter more times than I care to count; usually all from the same three servers who've had reputations for having players with bad attitudes. Having said that, yeah there are idiots who will votekick someone they are pissy with for some reason or another. Which is why EVERYONE should break their habit of clicking yes when the Vote to kick prompt pops up.
Last edited by Vargas; 2012-12-07 at 12:00 AM.
... sorry I thought we were citing anecdotal evidence that can't be proven in any way in order to justify our individual positions.
I'll reiterate that I personally have seen tanks kicked after wipes, most of the time due to poor healers not doing their job, because DPS scream ADDS WERE ON ME when in reality they only began being hit after the tanks in question were already dead.
This includes joining an LFR, watching the tanks pull properly and faceplant due to no heals and then being kicked directly after because "adds were on the raid the whole fight".
Yes, bad tanks get kicked too. No, this isn't always the case.
---------- Post added 2012-12-07 at 11:05 AM ----------
The first few weeks that Stone Guard LFR came out I topped heals and damage by tanking 3 dogs by myself and letting vengeance boost up my battle healer glyph and consecrate/hotr dps.
Does this mean everyone in the group should be kicked but me? After all, they were either not tanking, being beaten on dps by a tank or being beaten on heals by a tank.
whatever dude, tanks get kicked because they screw up, no other reason
I bet every person kicked believes they didn't deserve it.
What I find really annoying is that usually the worst offenders for "terrible people" in LFR are the raiders with 490+ iLvl who don't need anything going in and trolling the shit out of people who are trying to gear up.
I had one guy with awesome gear the other day who kept taunting lei-shi to maximize the number of people getting hit by spray (he was dps, and it was obvious he was doing it on purpose, from the "trollolololol" he kept spamming". Looked at his gear, half Heroic raid gear, heroic sha touched weapon. Just in to ruin other people's day. After the wipe, he typed in raid about how the tanks were doing it on purpose and got them kicked before we could get people to realize it was him and get rid of him.
I'm 490 ilvl and do LFR every week, coz its an easy source of Valor and I like grabbing gear for my offspec on some bosses. Doesn't mean I "troll" the raid, I just do my job and clear it faster.
I'm not a big fan of the mentality that just because I do normal raids I somehow don't belong in LFR. That's like saying I don't belong in heroics since I no longer need blues.
I do things for other reasons than gear, including valor points and... you know... fun.
Let's not judge an entire group of people based on a few bad eggs.