Bring back old poison animation. Give Shadow Walk ... something? Sound/Animation/Anything? Make Shroud of Concealment a nice shadowy smoke instead of.. a giant white circle? Away with Slice&Dice except for Combat and buff the other specs accordingly to compensate. Remove damage from poisons and auto-attacks and buff styles accordingly (buff assassination poison damage in return obviously). The class doesn't need buffs per se, it just needs improvements in the gameplay and visual aspects. There is not a single 'fun' animation when we have burning warriors with firepaths and all the crap other classes dish out and rogues have the same animations since 2005.
It's also funny that I was spamming Sinister Strike while keeping up SnD / Rupture in Classic and am still doing the same. Something isn't right.
For the first time rogue is the least plated Class. OMG BLIZZARD WHY YOU HATE US SO MCUH?? Rogues are still top notch, although soz.. it takes skill atm, something many rogues lack. ROFLMAO CATA ROGUE - AMBUSH 60k - AMBUSH 60k - STUN - dead. I remember warriors in CATA. Mortal strike - 6k... Overpower 4-5k... Rogues recup - 6-8k.. GL.. GL
PvE he's doing nr 1. I wonder..
Rogues are almost topping the logs.
Overall he says - Rogue was changed to be more skill dependant. Not so much gear. I mean you compare a rogue from Cataclysm - TOP NOTCH Gear. Haste at max with a rogue that has at least 3-4 raids in front of him and 3 seasons of PvP.
By the end of the expansion rogues will be even more powerful than ever.. Just wait for the dodge, haste and crit to increase..
Just wait - What rogues are to expect with better gear - Better flow with energy - More criticals which will just increase the DMG. Dodge - less dmg taken etc. Rogue was too op in arena.. My friend and me in cata .. SMOKE BOMB POP DEAD. Haha..
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You mentioned in the recent pod cast that There are more ret pallies than rogues. Does that mean Rogue buffs or Ret nerfs?https://twitter.com/Ghostcrawler/sta...53491874156544Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
This is why blizzard thinks there's so few rogues yet they've done nothing at all on any of that.
find it funny that one spec is more popular then an entire class
Rogues need a little bit of redesign and help with mobility.. and make the talent choices a little bit better. Most of the talents were things we already had, that they just took out of specs and made talent choices instead. That's unfun.
The problem with rogue is that - it takes almost nothing to make it OP.
Might need some clearance but rogue isn't that bad as most people refer to it as.They say it's useless and bad. It's not as good as it was, but far from useless. PvE wise they're good. PvP some problems with mobility forcing to spend on shadowstep / prep. Gives shadowstep double CD and make it a non talent. - GG
Did anyone actually LISTEN to the podcast? The comment about more ret paladins than rogues was not even related to rogues and their status.
It all started with the interviewer asking the question "why all the paladin hate?." At which point GC was saying that paladins seem to get picked on because there are so many people playing them, etc, etc. He was commenting about the fact that paladins are the most represented class--and any changes to them incur outcry from everyone.
If you aren't willing to play every spec to maximize yourself, that's your choice. But where were the ret paladins fighting for combat rogue pvp throughout the last three expansions?
OBVIOUSLY Blizzard should make every spec viable. But if combat and retribution don't make arena representation but holy and sub do, then paladins and rogues both have a home in arena. if retribution is bad and all rogue specs are bad, the rogue issue is far far worse, because you have a large number of unviable characters, the rogues. The other problem is paladins who have a chosen spec and want it to be better. That's a valid issue, but it's not even on the same page as a broken class.
Ret is a spec
Rogue is a class
This doesn't mean that ret shouldn't be good, but it does mean that rogue rep compares to PALADIN rep, because both are CLASSES
Vanilla had some sections where rogues had more than their expected rep, but hunters were the most played class. Hunters and warriors were always more populous than rogues. Back then rogues did actually have a kit, and several things that only they could do, so it makes sense that more players played them. The biggest pvp issue was that CC breaks were both super rare and conditional. For instance, a warlock wearing his pvp trinket could not trinket stun, gouge, sap, or blind. That's not a rogue issue.During Vanilla rogues had windows were they were the most played class
Stacking stamina makes perfect sense in a world without resilience and pvp power. Your stamina makes you alive a bit longer and out of execute ranges a bit longer, and reduces the damage dealt by long cooldown alpha strikes relative to your total health pool. They just gave us better ways to do this, while also giving us a bit more bang for our buck from the pve damage stats.Everyone stacked Stamina
I like those things, I see no problem with that.It's also funny that I was spamming Sinister Strike while keeping up SnD / Rupture in Classic and am still doing the same.
Rogues have been the least played class since BC. For almost the entire history of the game. During Cata, when locks made a bunch of noise about being the least played class? That thread got a blue post, pointing out that they were STILL NOT the least played class.For the first time rogue is the least plated Class.
That is, and has been, rogue.
Can you link to some stuff here? I mean, you can see that the top rogues all rerolled, and we're talking 3k rogues here, as well as the ludicrously low representation of rogues right now in 2200+ arena. There's no meaningful argument that rogues are absolutely trash in pvp right now, the numbers show that super well.My partner hasn't gotten the slightliest pushd back. We're sitting at 23xx rating at 2,4k MMR.
Am I to understand that you and your rogue partner are 2300? Can you have him come in here and share his thoughts, instead of you just being bitter and hateful? But at the very least, link to your armory, that alone would be good.
So? It's still interesting, and it should be something that is thought of as a problem. We've been able to see the 3x as many pallies as rogue thing for a long time. He probably even regrets saying it already.he comment about more ret paladins than rogues was not even related to rogues and their status.
Blizz is trying to fix rogues in the pvp environment. Why the hell are you guys posting dps stats?
I played a rogue in vanilla and BC, and while it is true that there were more hunters, there were certainly more rogues than warriors for large parts of vanilla.
And there were absolutely more rogues playing than warlocks during cataclysm.
That's the reason Blizzard revised warlocks and gave them so much content in MoP. It certainly isn't from warlocks complaining more, since the rogue community has always been extremely whiny even when it isn't justified. (Not to say that rogue complaining isn't justified right now)
This was posted directly after the pop sites started showing locks dipping below rogues. The blue post announced simply that this was incorrect.
There are more warlocks than rogues, and there were for at least all of Cataclysm as well, and likely all of Lich King.
Discussion is fine, but we're crossing the line into flaming people and back again. Stick to the topic and discussion.
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In all honesty rogue damage is fine, rogues were being used in (most) world first heroic kills, and certainly subsequent heroic kills.
GC may have been trying to point out that there are a LOT of rets out there, but you can't make the comparison without wondering why a single spec out-numbers 3 other specs, which happen to comprise a class. WoW has updated a lot, and classes have changed in lots of ways to make them more dynamic (and often easier) but the primary rogue changes made them easier to play and failed to update rogue mobility, while everyone else got more. These are the prime issues with rogues that (probably) lead to our class being highly underplayed.
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All I know is anytime during Cata that I /who'd class 85, warlocks were -always- the lowest population online, often with rogues as a close second. And I play on one of the highest population realms.
I'm a bit hesitant to trust Blizzard's population numbers, because I'm moderately sure they draw numbers based on active armories.
I facepalm every time I see people say 'gears will fix it'
Well Rogues still do more dps than rets in pve and are more represented in 2200+ pvp in 3's and rbgs.
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