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    [QUOTE=Endus;19455935]You can group up with CRZ. There's nothing about that system which encourages less social behaviour; it allows for more by increasing the zone population. You're inventing a false distinction.

    If YOU are being less social in MoP than ever before, that's on you. LFD and CRZ have made the game far more social than it has ever been, including Vanilla.

    im very social, but during leveling in mop i had no interaction out side general and lfr, not counting the level 90 if im lucky i saw 1-3 people i could quest with (not inc helfire), even when i saw the and tried to group with them i got "no ty its faster to level if i quest alone" sometimes oi got nothing form them which saddens me, there's also nothing that encourages more social behavior

    so i guess its down to your battle group how "social" your level experience is now
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    Quote Originally Posted by thunderdragon2 View Post
    im very social, but during leveling in mop i had no interaction out side general and lfr
    "If we ignore two major social aspects, there was no social aspect".

    You aren't making any sense. Chat and dungeons are social. And they're much improved; chat hasn't been this active in the old world since Vanilla, and LFD is better than dungeons have ever been for socialization.

    not counting the level 90
    Again, you're ignoring the social multiplayer aspect for extraneous, irrelevant reasons, like the level of the people in question.
    if im lucky i saw 1-3 people i could quest with (not inc helfire), even when i saw the and tried to group with them i got "no ty its faster to level if i quest alone" sometimes oi got nothing form them which saddens me, there's also nothing that encourages more social behavior
    It is faster to quest alone. That has next to nothing to do with how social the game is or is not. Just because you can't chat with party chat does not mean the game is not a social one, particularly when you're deliberately ignoring the many ways it's been made more social as a result of CRZ.

    The "it's faster to quest alone" has been true since the game launched. It's not some change that came about with CRZ. It's always been true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivellana View Post
    My opinion?

    It might have helped cut down on the people complaining if they had done something like offer optional server transfers before they put CRZ in place.
    Why should they offer free transfers off a server type that warns you when you create a character on it that this can happen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    "If we ignore two major social aspects, there was no social aspect".

    You aren't making any sense. Chat and dungeons are social. And they're much improved; chat hasn't been this active in the old world since Vanilla, and LFD is better than dungeons have ever been for socialization.





    Again, you're ignoring the social multiplayer aspect for extraneous, irrelevant reasons, like the level of the people in question.


    It is faster to quest alone. That has next to nothing to do with how social the game is or is not. Just because you can't chat with party chat does not mean the game is not a social one, particularly when you're deliberately ignoring the many ways it's been made more social as a result of CRZ.

    The "it's faster to quest alone" has been true since the game launched. It's not some change that came about with CRZ. It's always been true.
    the reason that i removed ;lfg from the equation is that it has noting to do with crz, general chat is active if there are some factors, you haven't come into a zone when every1 is done the time of the day that you are leveling at or there's ganking happening, in the case of the last part id probably log my main and kill the pets

    yes starting a conversation is easy but if no1 answers well... the social aspect gained from general is gone

    correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thunderdragon2 View Post
    the reason that i removed ;lfg from the equation is that it has noting to do with crz, general chat is active if there are some factors, you haven't come into a zone when every1 is done the time of the day that you are leveling at or there's ganking happening, in the case of the last part id probably log my main and kill the pets
    Ganking is social activity. Hostile, but social. And if there's literally nobody on multiple servers in your zone, well, that can happen. There's no other way to fix that other than through CRZ, though. It's not a guarantee of population, it's just a means to improve population.

    yes starting a conversation is easy but if no1 answers well... the social aspect gained from general is gone

    correct?
    No. If you're still seeing people, and competing with them for resources/rares/quest targets, and getting ganked, you're still experiencing the social multiplayer aspect of the game, conversation or no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    No. If you're still seeing people, and competing with them for resources/rares/quest targets, and getting ganked, you're still experiencing the social multiplayer aspect of the game, conversation or no.
    so seeing people in the zone and competing for resources with them. and them making conversation with me via general is the same thing?

    ok good to know

    if your in any doubt as to what im talking about re read the 2nd part of the last quote of ur last post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilian View Post
    Why they would've/should've done that? This has been the main princible of PvP realms ever since their creation (This is not the first blue post stating this).

    If people are unable to live with the consequences of their choices, it's their own mistake.
    except many many many of the pvp servers are completely umbalanced and people chose them for the pve side (good guilds, many people, good AH), knowing there would be very few -if any- people of the other faction.

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    I've always agreed with that sentiment and I continue to agree with it.

    It's really really obvious. Blizzard pointing it out is funny and all that, but I don't get how it needed to be pointed out by a blue in the first place. It's a really clear, obvious situation.

    What's funny to me is that PvP server players used to always lord themselves over PvE server players, how they were so much better than PvE server players were for leveling in a PvP environment and getting ganked endlessly. They were better at PvP for leveling on PvP servers. They knew their classes better. They had better reaction times. They acted like leveling on a PvP server was hardmode and that they were better players for it.

    Nowadays, they whine that getting ganked is unfair and demand something be done about it, rather than leveling on a PvE server.

    Interesting stuff, guys.

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    Ganking is pvp, and as much as cowards and honorless people killing lvl 60s on their 90s infuriate me, my happiest pvp moments have all been getting on my main and showing them what's up.
    It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
    Also, it's should HAVE. NOT "should of". "Should of" doesn't even make sense. If you think you should own a cat, do you say "I should of a cat" or "I should have a cat"? Do you HAVE cats, or do you OF cats?

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    Getting people to make lvl 1s to badmouth you is probably one of the best things unhindered PVP gives you: http://i.imgur.com/bSEQu.png

    (this guy used some rather colourful language, not for the faint of heart )
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    I only saw a few minutes of it but it looked slicker than a lubed up olympic swimmer fleeing from a shark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerraw View Post
    Getting people to make lvl 1s to badmouth you is probably one of the best things unhindered PVP gives you: http://i.imgur.com/bSEQu.png

    (this guy used some rather colourful language, not for the faint of heart )
    Oh god I remember that happening when I played on a PvP server.
    I think my fondest memory was killing some Blood Elf Pally in HFP (We were equally levelled, probably 61) and I kinda demolished the guy which gave me a smirk. I then get a whisper from a guy called *my character's name*isgay using an array of colourful language. It tickled me.

    All this discussion is making me want to make a toon on a PvP server again .

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    lol at jemem ti majku mrtvu

    edit: played on daggerspine while it was still alive, then played on a pvp server on swtor, said fuck this shit to myself when i started wow again and started playing on a pve realm

    proud pve carebear for life! ^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scummer View Post
    Oh god I remember that happening when I played on a PvP server.
    I think my fondest memory was killing some Blood Elf Pally in HFP (We were equally levelled, probably 61) and I kinda demolished the guy which gave me a smirk. I then get a whisper from a guy called *my character's name*isgay using an array of colourful language. It tickled me.

    All this discussion is making me want to make a toon on a PvP server again .
    Funny thing this was a level 90 arms warrior.
    Quote Originally Posted by Erin View Post
    I only saw a few minutes of it but it looked slicker than a lubed up olympic swimmer fleeing from a shark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerraw View Post
    Getting people to make lvl 1s to badmouth you is probably one of the best things unhindered PVP gives you: http://i.imgur.com/bSEQu.png

    (this guy used some rather colourful language, not for the faint of heart )
    Amen to that. If I ever come back to WoW, it would be to run dual accounts simultaneously, just to make sure that people would have the opportunity to talk trash to me on my opposing-faction alt after I pvp them with my main or on a 60 sort-of-twink.

    Kind of like THIS GUY: http://liquidcode.org/~lostman/wow/d...e/stuff/angwe/

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    Quote Originally Posted by coldbear View Post
    Amen to that. If I ever come back to WoW, it would be to run dual accounts simultaneously, just to make sure that people would have the opportunity to talk trash to me on my opposing-faction alt after I pvp them with my main or on a 60 sort-of-twink.

    Kind of like THIS GUY: http://liquidcode.org/~lostman/wow/d...e/stuff/angwe/
    Lol, epic quotes in there.
    Quote Originally Posted by Erin View Post
    I only saw a few minutes of it but it looked slicker than a lubed up olympic swimmer fleeing from a shark.

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    Blizzard caved in to casuals and bads in PvE, it's just a matter of time before they cave in to demands of casuals and bads in PvP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thunderdragon2 View Post
    there's the problem, the point of CRZ was to make the zones more populated yes, but also social, there is no "social" aspect in these zones outside general chat since everything else isau6tamated while leveling, lfg,bg

    i remember in wrath and even a bit in cata where every1 helped every1 even if it was by grouping.
    but i guess your ok with keeping the outdoor world social aspect of the game in general chat
    but as we have already covered we cant force people to be social so im not sure how to fix it. i suppose scenarios could be tuned for lvl 60+ to do them
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    You must be playing a different game. I remember having to fight for mobs the whole time I was leveling in wrath/cata. Don't get me started on how many times I would pull a mob next to a node to have someone else take the node.

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    That was the best blizz response to players ive ever seen, its good to know blizz sides with those who enjoy world pvp for what it is rather then trying to set stupid level limits etc, you join a pvp realm your at risk of death, you dont like it roll pve, the rest of the arguments are meaningless because thats what it comes down to at the end of the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slozon View Post
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    You must be playing a different game. I remember having to fight for mobs the whole time I was leveling in wrath/cata. Don't get me started on how many times I would pull a mob next to a node to have someone else take the node.
    Depends on:

    1. server
    2. age of expansion (early on, everyone's leveling and it's new and fresh and there's few people doing few things, so you end up running into the same people again and again, it's a lot less anonymous)
    3. server type (RP and RP-pvp servers tend to have more nice people, and more people who care about their faction, obviously)
    4. what your reputation among the people on the server is
    5. your guild
    6. how hated your class is
    7. if you go out of your way to help people without asking for a reward or help yourself

    But you'd know that if you played only on the server, as opposed to in a bunch of random cross-server instances. Not that each server isn't an instance in itself (well, several...), but you know what I mean. Kind of like back before cross-server BGs and cross-server dungeons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slozon View Post
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    You must be playing a different game. I remember having to fight for mobs the whole time I was leveling in wrath/cata. Don't get me started on how many times I would pull a mob next to a node to have someone else take the node.
    the underlined annoyed me also but when there was no node involved people were actually helpful

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