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  1. #681
    Quote Originally Posted by Noobadin View Post
    Well according to the man he killed no one. So I think I'll take his word over what you think he did.
    You would have been a real hit at the Nuremberg trials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shuubi View Post
    You would have been a real hit at the Nuremberg trials.
    What does it matter? Neither todays legal system nor that at the time convicted people without proper evidence.
    The largest flaw I know of is that an jewish US service man that acted interrogater were eledegly allowed to beat up prisoners during interogations and that Albert Spear had a lenient verdict cos he showed responsibility and regret (if it was authentic is another question).
    Last edited by Bakis; 2012-12-08 at 04:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psyopz View Post
    Hitler never "killed anyone" either, and neither did Stalin. This guy FACILITATED and was an ACCESSORY to the massacre and torture of people.
    Actually Hitler DID kill Hitler. Then again - he also killed the guy who killed Hitler...

  4. #684
    Quote Originally Posted by tibe View Post
    "She said he could have requested a transfer back to the Russian front, where he was initially serving, or that he could have simply walked away from service or defied immoral orders."

    So basically he should have taken one of the 2 other realistic choices he had at that time and die.

    I mean what kind of backwater trash justice dep. lawyer comes up with ideas like these?
    Well her last name IS Siegal. And her bosses last name is Rosenbaum. I'm sure you can figure it out.

    EDIT: Of course, if you vocalize that you figured it out it will just be dismissed as anti-Semitism.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheGravemind View Post
    If I was in his boots (and forced to join the SS in 1939 or whenever he joined), I would have tried to liberate the camp myself or die trying. He did not. He traded his life for the life of thousands of people, thus he should face the consequences
    Quote Originally Posted by Proberly View Post
    Oh would you now? It truly is amazing how many heroic people we have wasting their time on internet.

  5. #685
    Quote Originally Posted by Priestiality View Post
    Well her last name IS Siegal. And her bosses last name is Rosenbaum. I'm sure you can figure it out.

    EDIT: Of course, if you vocalize that you figured it out it will just be dismissed as anti-Semitism.
    In that case, i totally did not figure it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tibe View Post
    In that case, i totally did not figure it out.
    Basically, having a jew prosecute a former nazi is likely to cause a conflict of interest. As in, the jewish lawyer would not be interested in justice or fairness, only hurting the man as much as possible.

  7. #687
    It was irony ;-)

    The truth is, I'm more baffled as to how a person can achieve such a status in a legal democratic system uttering her stupidity like that in front of a journalist.

  8. #688
    As former Israeli foreign secretary Abba Eban quipped, “There’s no business like ‘Shoah’ business.”

    Having a case like this in the media helps us to remember the Holocaust. And importantly to give to some money to the varies organizations, institutions, and museums. Whose directors need to make six or seven figure salaries to help us remember.

    And never mind those still living survivors, some of whom live in poverty. We need to build another memorial in Milwaukee or Omaha.


    Also Mao killed an estimated 50-70 million chinese during his various purges and revolutions. When will the US prosecute the guards or enforcers of those re-education camps. I mean 50 million people... atleast one guards must have emigrated to the US. Or some Imperial Japanese soldier that contributed to the Rape of Nanking.

    Those us attorneys are slacking off.
    Last edited by Slacker76; 2012-12-08 at 09:43 PM.

  9. #689
    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker76 View Post
    As former Israeli foreign secretary Abba Eban quipped, “There’s no business like ‘Shoah’ business.”

    Having a case like this in the media helps us to remember the Holocaust. And importantly to give to some money to the varies organizations, institutions, and museums. Whose directors need to make six or seven figure salaries to help us remember.

    And never mind those still living survivors, some of whom live in poverty. We need to build another memorial in Milwaukee or Omaha.


    Also Mao killed an estimated 50-70 million chinese during his various purges and revolutions. When will the US prosecute the guards or enforcers of those re-education camps. I mean 50 million people... atleast one guards must have emigrated to the US. Or some Imperial Japanese soldier that contributed to the Rape of Nanking.

    Those us attorneys are slacking off.
    The lucky number is 6 million. No more, no less.
    Last edited by tibe; 2012-12-08 at 10:04 PM.

  10. #690
    Quote Originally Posted by Kalyyn View Post
    Basically, having a jew prosecute a former nazi is likely to cause a conflict of interest. As in, the jewish lawyer would not be interested in justice or fairness, only hurting the man as much as possible.
    This was exactly the point I was trying to make when I pointed it out a few (or more than a few?) pages back. Having people with an obvious conflict of interest, Jewish, in this case, pursue the case is a direct violation of the laws of the United States. In any normal court proceeding the case would be re-tried if not dropped entirely. The DoJ even states they AGREE with the defendants statements that he never killed anyone personally, and yet she calls him a war criminal. But apparently trial laws don't apply if it's just a "hearing". Even though there's prosecution, defense, and a judge.

    Quote Originally Posted by tibe View Post
    The lucky number is 6 million. No more, no less.
    As bad as it is, this made me lol IRL.
    Last edited by Priestiality; 2012-12-08 at 11:36 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheGravemind View Post
    If I was in his boots (and forced to join the SS in 1939 or whenever he joined), I would have tried to liberate the camp myself or die trying. He did not. He traded his life for the life of thousands of people, thus he should face the consequences
    Quote Originally Posted by Proberly View Post
    Oh would you now? It truly is amazing how many heroic people we have wasting their time on internet.

  11. #691
    Quote Originally Posted by Niroshi View Post
    I wonder if, when the final WW2 survivor pass, we will be able to finally put WW2 to rest.
    No, then they will go after the companys, the company X did sell a shipment of hammers to Nazi Germany 1938, and we have photographic proof that attest one of the hammers was used to erect fencing around a consecration camp. SHAME! they did profiteering on the Holocaust! We demand a apology and economic compensation to the victims (now living relatives) and a monument to the victims of the holocaust outside the headquarters of the company.

    As long as Israel/Palestine have a propaganda struggle, Israel will try its best to find old Nazi connection, to be able to use the guilt card in the propaganda.

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    Rofl, I am surprised that I am still being quoted this late into the thread. I suppose pure justice does not resonate well with some people around here.
    This one is machine and nerve, and has its mind concluded.

  13. #693
    Quote Originally Posted by Psyopz View Post
    Rofl, I am surprised that I am still being quoted this late into the thread. I suppose pure justice does not resonate well with some people around here.
    With that post man, you already made it into 2 signatures, I'd be surprised if you weren't quoted for the rest of your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a77 View Post
    No, then they will go after the companys, the company X did sell a shipment of hammers to Nazi Germany 1938, and we have photographic proof that attest one of the hammers was used to erect fencing around a consecration camp. SHAME! they did profiteering on the Holocaust! We demand a apology and economic compensation to the victims (now living relatives) and a monument to the victims of the holocaust outside the headquarters of the company.

    As long as Israel/Palestine have a propaganda struggle, Israel will try its best to find old Nazi connection, to be able to use the guilt card in the propaganda.
    It's true though. The holocaust, and the reaction afterward, really is the most disgusting thing ever happened.

  14. #694
    Quote Originally Posted by Psyopz View Post
    All must answer of their crimes; if you commit a murder 60 years ago, you can still be charged for it today, so of course this man (who was at the very least an accessory to many murders 50 years ago) should be deported and charged for his crimes.

    There is no "forgiving" to be done here. Tough luck; should've thought twice before killing those innocent people, against your will or not.
    Another moron that has no idea how the judicial system works. First, murder is unlawful killing; during war according to the current laws of war, he did not commit murder (see third and fourth Geneva Conventions). Second these killings were on on US soil so the judicial system cannot legally criminalize him. Also, according to the Geneva convention (it doesn't matter when the soldier served, as long as they weren't traitors or deserters), they must be treated fairly and with respect (so not deporting him for fighting for his country).

    Also, many Jews who were actually there in the camps felt bad for the guards, an example being (I don't remember the source), the prisoner felt bad for the guards, because as long as the prisoners worked for the most part, they would live even under harsh conditions and there would be eventual intervention. If the guards refused, they'd be killed on site.

    Read a book you imbecile.

  15. #695
    Quote Originally Posted by Psyopz View Post
    Rofl, I am surprised that I am still being quoted this late into the thread. I suppose pure justice does not resonate well with some people around here.
    Ok internet hero it is easy to be brave behind a keyboard. But did you demonstrating outside the White House or Guantánamo, demanding that US shall give all the people US did "collect" in the "war of terror" a speedy and fair trial, or you can also call it pure justice, or was it to hard to live as you preach? Remember you did have the luxury of knowing that make a protest did not endanger your life or your loved ones life.
    Last edited by a77; 2012-12-09 at 11:45 AM.

  16. #696
    Quote Originally Posted by a77 View Post
    No, then they will go after the companys, the company X did sell a shipment of hammers to Nazi Germany 1938, and we have photographic proof that attest one of the hammers was used to erect fencing around a consecration camp. SHAME! they did profiteering on the Holocaust! We demand a apology and economic compensation to the victims (now living relatives) and a monument to the victims of the holocaust outside the headquarters of the company.

    As long as Israel/Palestine have a propaganda struggle, Israel will try its best to find old Nazi connection, to be able to use the guilt card in the propaganda.
    Hugo Boss made the nazi uniforms. VW, BMW, Mercedes, all made vehicles for the nazis. They also received money from the reich at the end of the war. German arms company's all produced weapons for the nazis. Most of the people running these companies were very pro nazi and benefited from it.

  17. #697
    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker76 View Post

    Also Mao killed an estimated 50-70 million chinese during his various purges and revolutions. When will the US prosecute the guards or enforcers of those re-education camps. I mean 50 million people... atleast one guards must have emigrated to the US. Or some Imperial Japanese soldier that contributed to the Rape of Nanking.

    Those us attorneys are slacking off.
    Because its easier to go after the losing side. Personally im in favour of them investigating and doing it damned thoroughly, hell even use a lie detector on the guy to back it up, while it may not be totally accurate especially with his age and the time it might have given him to convince himself that he's telling the truth. If theres enough evidence, hang or shoot him doesnt really matter which.

    There are a lot of people in this world who deserve the death sentence, most of them are protected due to the fact that the nation they belong to is too powerful or connected for them to even think about it.

    There have been so many atrocities and crimes against humanity committed but a good 90% of them are ignored for whatever reason. But the fact that they are ignored shows that the moral high ground has been lost by those who are persecuting.

    England, US, Russia. China, Turkey, Israel.... They get totally ignored because they're too well connected and powerful. Granted not sure why Turkey got away with their genocidal behaviour but damn dont lose a war or your really in trouble.

    Equal justice is not equal it really isnt. It seems more important to not get caught, or have friends who will protect you.

  18. #698
    Quote Originally Posted by Morden View Post
    Equal justice is not equal it really isnt. It seems more important to not get caught, or have friends who will protect you.
    Unfortunately it is so true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psyopz View Post
    Lol wth? What is with people assuming personal things today rofl. I'm not a soldier yet, just a biochemistry student in University.
    haha he didn't dispute the part about being batshit crazy

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    so this guy was a guard. i havent yet seen any evidence or witness. Only a accusation, based on nothing but the fact he was a guard at a nazi camp.

    I dont know about other countrys militarys, but in the country i live in guards are supposed to stop people who brake military rules. This also implys to shoot, if u cant stop the fleeing guy / the unauthorized entering guy with yelling , warningshot.

    Actually, as a soldier on guard duty u HAVE to shoot this guy, if he doesnt follow your command , ignores the warning shot, and proceeds entering / fleeing from military area.

    We dont even know if he shot fleeing prisoners. we dont know if he shot anyone. The only thing we know, he was a guard at a camp were jews were murdered. Could he stop his duty? yes, he could have run away, deserting meant death sentence. he could have requested to transfer to fighting troops , at eastern front.
    Any sane german would have been very pleased to not be at eastern front, but having a guard duty on a camp.

    the only valid accusation i can make to mr. geiser is that he wanted to survive the war.
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