Warriors didn't run around with vial and legendary daggers did they? No. Rogues did.
Rogues were OP during s11 regardless of the reason. (hello agility scaling, smokebomb, 75% armour pen)
Rogues have been top tier (along with mages, locks) for nearly every single season of arena. That's pretty "OP" when comparing to the underdog specs (such as moonkin, historically bad every season except a few gimmick comps) and even look too strong when compared to the "good" specs who still fall way behind the top tier in representation.
Or I could just say RLS was OP, which rogues were a key component of.
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The beta testing for this season was just not listened to, which is sad. I understand it's close to impossible for the first season of an expansion to be good, but this has been unnecessarily bad. We knew all these things that they've changed now, and we knew all the things they are now saying they want to change. We knew this half a year ago, it was reported, but ignored. We knew frost mage burst was too high. We knew warrior mobility and burst was too high. We knew chaos bolt hit too hard. We knew disc priests were unplayable. We knew that high-end PvE weapons were better than PvP weapons. It is as if PvP beta was just there for the entertainment, not the testing.
Nothing worth having comes easy. That's why hard content is worth doing, and easy content is a waste of time.
People shitting on GC dont understand the complexity of the interactions between PvP, PvE, design and the subjectivity of balance
He could do a better job (Who cant) but when I read these forums I dont really see any viable replacement
Yes, I'm happy that you actually have to play and continue to prove yourself to get titles.
Crowd control, maybe not, but then again neither are they.
And yes, I'm happy that there is such a thing as luck that plays into the game, good at bad. Keeps things from getting too boring. Not that they really are random out of the blue, e.g. letting the warrior sit on a target long enough for tfb stacks, letting the lock build embers for chaos bolt etc.
GC takes crap because he has the motivation, for whatever reason, to put himself forward and interact with the community very aggressively and frequently. Before GC the blues were generally quiet, didn't respond to anyone that much outside very PR-sanctioned disclosures and interviews, and generally stayed behind closed doors with their design philosophies and intentions.
With GC you're getting a much more one-on-one, human sort of interaction with the development process. The result is that it's not professionally candy-coated; things he says aren't filtered through media teams or layers of CM reps. This means it's much easier for him to misspeak, misstep, or say something that gets people pissed off.
Rest assured, if you had to discuss your knowledge of any given area of WoW 24/7 all the time with the wider Internet at large, you too would be lambasted, picked apart, and made to seem like an idiot by someone every single time.
WoW is really no more or less balanced now than it was pre-GC. There was just as much angst and rage in Vanilla and TBC community complaint columns, if not much more since it was generally met with total silence from the blues and buffs/nerfs would just magically 'happen' without much explanation or justification.
Really, GC is just an easy target because, again, he puts himself out there exposed in ways previous dev teams did not.
GC isn't to blame... the whole dev team is... I mean why do they leave handicapped specs with nothing for a full season/patch? completly ruins the game for certain people at points where it didn't have to. Even when they know somethings wrong its just a oh deal with it until its fixed, if you don't like it, re-roll or stop playing.
The current state of pvp (Cata & Mop) is nothing more but a lottery, where some classes can be literally dead for whole expansions.
It really makes my wonder how can these problems become live, either they are doing a terrible job, or they deliberately want some classes to reign over others no matter what. (ele shaman in mind)
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The majority of people who complain in the game are actually the minority. The minority tends to be the ones who complain the most. Ghostcrawler does his best to appease the most players possible. He can't be 100% with that, it's impossible. Personally, I like the guy.
That's just blatant trolling (I hope)(Note: Warriors have been nerfed to shit and aren't a top tier class anymore).
Warriors are still the class with the best arena rep (by a huge margin) right now though.
this seems to be the most accurate information around since arenastats seems to have been discontinued for MoP
It's hard to objectively value which class is overtuned the most. There are few truly objectional players in the game, almost everyone is biased to some extent no matter how good of a player they are. Warlocks are middle of the pack at the very best after chaoswave nerf, which was needed. Aura nerf was unjustified and DS was a bug fix more than anything.Blood fear is about to be nerfed, with no compensation that will mean dark things for the class(and I am all for blood fear nerf, they just need to fix affliction at the same time). Spriest are certainly slightly overtuned but nowhere near warriors, not even close and they deserve to have at least 1 viable spec. I say nerf their utility a little more and all is fine. So yes there are other OP specs, but you trying to claim arms is not one of them (when it is by far the most OP) just shows your bias.
let's not derail this thread though. Wether warriors are OP or not is something everyone can witness first hand just by playing the game. There is no proof in statistical data needed beyond that. I just posted the link as courtesy ;-)
actually some of the changes like the 1 minute trinket were suggested by professional/known r1/tournament players so i wouldnt say he completely ignores them.
Rogue pops Sdance or Daggers proc the wings if u failed to CC the rogue then or disarm or avoid the combat with him u;re bad , oh w8 rogue had the mage in the team that set up for the rogue retarded DMG inc and u blame the rogue for beeing op thats just dumb . Sometimes i envy ppl that say ignorance is bliss they are right
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So here are two random forumgoers already at each other throatds. Now multplay that by all the players with an opinion. Yeah..I don't envy GC. I hope he gets at least 250 000 a year for the shit he hast to put up.
Last edited by det; 2012-12-08 at 07:50 PM.
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Battletag - Stormz#1438
When are people going to understand that GC does not make these changes. It's a team based decision he is just the voice of the team. Hell you could fire GC today and tomorrow the same things currently happening would still be happening.
GCs comment comparing disarming a mage and silencing an enhance, in any context this is just wrong and not in touch with pvp.yeah I know. But silencing an Enhance is like disarming a Mage. I'm sure it happens, but I dont see it often.
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Battletag - Stormz#1438
it IS rare, how many time is it a better trade to CS the Enhance assist-heal instead of simply CSing the healer ?that the thing it isn't rare, in fact its a common tactic. But that is one of MANY over the years of gc gems of ignorance he has dropped
GC is an ass, his 'heat' isn't unjustified. I've seen posts of him bragging about having a yacht, telling people to get over it or learn to play. It's unprofessional, he's an ass.