Next Champion: Vi, The Piltover Enforcer

[Still Rampant Rabbit]

Afaik Wriggle's is rng, and thus, very unpredictable.

The Spirit items add a steady damage increase to all of your attacks to any jungle creep. I'd say it's far better than Wriggles, but it also comes at a higher cost. This is why it can be preferable to rol with Wriggles on Vi since you really want to get your BC/FM asap. However, you can also decide to just upgrade your machete to a Spirit Stone, and upgrade it later during late game. It'll also give you a true damage dot which I'd say is a safer source of steady damage over Wriggles.

[Vespian]

Afaik Wriggle's is rng, and thus, very unpredictable.

The Spirit items add a steady damage increase to all of your attacks to any jungle creep. I'd say it's far better than Wriggles, but it also comes at a higher cost. This is why it can be preferable to rol with Wriggles on Vi since you really want to get your BC/FM asap. However, you can also decide to just upgrade your machete to a Spirit Stone, and upgrade it later during late game. It'll also give you a true damage dot which I'd say is a safer source of steady damage over Wriggles.

That sounds like good advice. It is costly yes, and doesn't completely cover all basic needs, but going for the stone does add that true damage burn eventually, which sounds like proper synergy with Vi.

[Still Rampant Rabbit]

Not to mention the dot is also applied to champions. It's an amazing item on jungle Darius.

[Axethor]

Normally the spirit stone is enough at first. Idk, I'm weird when it comes to the jungle items. I'll rush wriggles, but I'll sit on an un-upgraded spirit stone all day. Usually finish them after I get an item and tier 2 boots. On Vi, that would probably be after brutalizer but before FM. though I might skip brutilizer on Jungler Vi till after the stone and FM, just because of how important FM is.

Spirit stone is really strong, especially on Vi. Wriggles is strong too. Certain junglers just abuse the sustain and it's upgrades. I had a friend who did not want to start machete as jungle Voli. I forced him to do it one game and then he was like "That was a little better." I was ready to kill him the game before it though.

[Grading]

Actually just remembered that Stonewall kept his machete as it was as Vi (and others) since she already clears really fast.
Rushing Boots of Mobility also seemed to help her gank.

Personally, I would upgrade it for sustain, then leave it at that until later.
Wriggles ain't bad though. I just prefer the stone on her.

[Thallidomaniac]

Considering that people have compared Vi to Shyvana in terms of being the fast jungle clearer that doesn't have a fancy dash (not sure if Vi's Q counts) to get onto to people, how would you compare the two overall?

[Axethor]

Considering that people have compared Vi to Shyvana in terms of being the fast jungle clearer that doesn't have a fancy dash (not sure if Vi's Q counts) to get onto to people, how would you compare the two overall?

Both rely on lane CC to gank. Shyv can stick to people and bring them down with more sustained damage. Vi is more like Darius, she catches you and your probably dead, but it's easy to stay away. Shyv is much tankier and can transition into that role a bit, while Vi won't be tanking anything.

[Thalais]

Vi is more a solid damage dealer bruiser over tanky bruiser.

Her E is crazy powerful at level 1. I watch her deal almost half the adc's life at level 1 with just her E.
A single focus down with an ignite or exhaust and she solo's low defense champions like adc or mid or supports such as; raka, sona, janna, etc.

[Vespian]

Actually just remembered that Stonewall kept his machete as it was as Vi (and others) since she already clears really fast.
Rushing Boots of Mobility also seemed to help her gank.

That's what I've been saying you know :P She is just as fast as Nunu, who uses Q, but she doesn't need Q to be just as fast. (although not having W for movement speed make her a tad slower on the path).

Vi is more a solid damage dealer bruiser over tanky bruiser.

Her E is crazy powerful at level 1. I watch her deal almost half the adc's life at level 1 with just her E.
A single focus down with an ignite or exhaust and she solo's low defense champions like adc or mid or supports such as; raka, sona, janna, etc.

I'm pretty sure this isn't true, unless you mean E @ level 1, but current level somewhere at 10. At lvl 1, my E definitely can't scrape 50% off a target.

[Toxigen]

This may belong in another thread, but I'm finding that Boots of Mobility is pretty much a must-have in my jungling endeavors.

Except for the few champions that have high movespeed to begin with (ie: Nunu w/ bloodboil), that ability to get to lanes in those few precious seconds faster makes up for any loss in stats...time and time again.

I should know this (I'm not much of a self-tester), but let's say you have Boots of Mobility and you go into lane for a gank as Nocturne without your ultimate. If you cast your Q, is that considered "entering combat," or does the move speed bonus go away only when you take damage?

[Vespian]

This may belong in another thread, but I'm finding that Boots of Mobility is pretty much a must-have in my jungling endeavors.

Except for the few champions that have high movespeed to begin with (ie: Nunu w/ bloodboil), that ability to get to lanes in those few precious seconds faster makes up for any loss in stats...time and time again.

I should know this (I'm not much of a self-tester), but let's say you have Boots of Mobility and you go into lane for a gank as Nocturne without your ultimate. If you cast your Q, is that considered "entering combat," or does the move speed bonus go away only when you take damage?

My experience on Nunu suggests that casting abilities does not put you in combat. I W a lot on him and he almost moves as fast as Yi does :P

[Toxigen]

Self-targeted abilities may not, but offensive abilities that register damage might.

Can anyone verify that for me?

[Axethor]

Self-targeted abilities may not, but offensive abilities that register damage might.

Can anyone verify that for me?

Cannot currently confirm because my laptop is refusing to connect to the Internet, but I know Rammus keeps the bonus MS when using his Q. I think as long as you don't deal or take damage, your good.

[Toxigen]

Yeah, I know self-targeted abilities won't put you in combat.

Was thinking more along the lines of Noct's Q, Naut's Ulti, etc...pretty sure you lose your extra MS from Boots of Mobility...I think it would be just plain OP for kiting and such.

[Duilliath]

Noct's Q should be fine as long as you don't hit anything with it. Naut's R on the other hand has to be aimed at a champion, automatically putting you in combat.

[Grading]

I buy Boots of Mobility on all junglers these days.

Also, I think self-targeted or ally-targeted abilities don't put you in combat as long as neither have hit or been hit by an enemy unit or champion in the last 5 seconds.

I'm pretty sure you have to hit people with offensive abilities or be hit by an enemy with an ability, though sometimes I've noticed getting in combat completely randomly, without anyone being close to me.

That's what I've been saying you know :P

Yeah sorry, was in bed when I typed that so I couldn't be arsed to look if anyone had been mentioning anything about it.

[Still Rampant Rabbit]

How would Boots of Swiftness + Alacrity and a semi-late Zephyr be on Vi?

[Kurdiern]

How would Boots of Swiftness + Alacrity and a semi-late Zephyr be on Vi?

Probably pretty good. I don't even have Vi, but Zephyr is an amazing item on anyone who can use all the stats like Vi. It's only drawback is the rather horrible build path and a bit expensive. I'd probably grab it as a 3rd or 4th item.

[Still Rampant Rabbit]

Probably pretty good. I don't even have Vi, but Zephyr is an amazing item on anyone who can use all the stats like Vi. It's only drawback is the rather horrible build path and a bit expensive. I'd probably grab it as a 3rd or 4th item.

Yeah, pretty much what I was thinking.

Think I'll try and get a build with:
Boots of Swiftness
Black Cleaver
Frozen Mallet
Zephyr
Guardian Angel
Iceborn Gauntlet

Most likely in this order:
T1 Boots > Brutalizer > Phage > Swiftness > Zephyr/Black Cleaver > Zephyr/Black Cleaver > Frozen Mallet > Guardian Angel > Iceborn Gauntlet


It's fucking expensive, but fucking devastating if the match goes till late game if you ask me.

[Kurdiern]

Yeah, pretty much what I was thinking.

Think I'll try and get a build with:
Boots of Swiftness
Black Cleaver
Frozen Mallet
Zephyr
Guardian Angel
Iceborn Gauntlet

Most likely in this order:
T1 Boots > Brutalizer > Phage > Swiftness > Zephyr/Black Cleaver > Zephyr/Black Cleaver > Frozen Mallet > Guardian Angel > Iceborn Gauntlet


It's fucking expensive, but fucking devastating if the match goes till late game if you ask me.

Try out for me if you get the chance lol. Haven't been able to play in a while sadly. Ghostblade + Mallet for all the AD damage, Warmogs + Fmallet for the health and tankiness you need once mid game rolls in, and Zephyr for the finishing touch. Mallet & Ghostblade are plenty of sticking power

Phage -> Ghostblade -> Warmogs -> Finish Mallet -> Zephyr -> somethin like a GA prob.