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  1. #181
    Quote Originally Posted by semaphore View Post
    I'm sure you think it is.
    So we're going to pretend people don't die now?

  2. #182
    Quote Originally Posted by Laize View Post
    That's not a fall-back argument.

    That's my universal argument.

    Excepting education and law enforcement (Which includes the justice and penal system) I don't see government intervention as particularly necessary. Other people's (As in, not my friends or relatives) problems are not my concern.
    I have to assume you don't give a shit because you're unaware of the link between poverty and crime?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laize View Post
    So we're going to pretend people don't die now?
    You're the one acting like it's fine if people die from a lack of treatment. I'm out of here. Laize, I have disagreed with you in the past, but this is just disgusting.
    Is it a rule that you have to be rude and sarcastic in every conversation here?

  4. #184
    Quote Originally Posted by Laize View Post
    So we're going to pretend people don't die now?
    No we're just not so morally bankrupt as to say that death is a valid conclusion to the problem of poor people who fall sick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laize View Post
    If you wait long enough they do. They'll either go where there's jobs (so they stop being poor) or get better on their own (stop being sick) or they die.
    Letting your own people die needlessly (heart disease is still a number-one killer and it's pretty simple and cost effective to treat, especially when people can afford to go to the doctor early into the issue), the new hardcore budget cutting method! Sounds an awful lot like those got' dang death panels all the same people passing this type of legislation were all fired up about, and that was for Grandma! She's even more used up and worthless as a worker.

    While we're at it, let's ask the third world how that strategy has worked out for their workforce and general economic health.

    P.s. for those who can't on their own: Sarcasm. MASSIVE SARCASM. Go ahead and take it seriously now.

  6. #186
    Quote Originally Posted by Laize View Post
    So we're going to pretend people don't die now?
    No, but I see you're going to pretend that's anything like what you actually said. Which was advocating letting poor people die as a "valid end".

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    If you wait long enough ... they die.
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    Is that not a valid end to their relationship with society?

  7. #187
    I honestly don't understand how someone could maintain this "I AM AN ISLAND" mentality and still have even a pretense to economic literacy.
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  8. #188
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    I honestly don't understand how someone could maintain this "I AM AN ISLAND" mentality and still have even a pretense to economic literacy.
    Maybe his personal welfare is not contingent on the state of the economy

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    P.s. Pure Libertarian-ism is a lot like Communism... much better on paper.

    Ideally, in a non-regulated market, the cost of health services would go down. Realistically, Mr. Trained Doctor who is making six figures wants to continue making six figures, and healthcare remains a bastion of the rich. New players can enter the market much more freely, but as a result they're just-as-if-not-more likely to be Bill with a Hacksaw than an actual, trained Doctor. Gradual change to more accessible and affordable training MIGHT happen over decades, but the nation would have to survive the transition that long and even then it's rather unlikely.

  10. #190
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    I have to assume you don't give a shit because you're unaware of the link between poverty and crime?
    Of course there is.

    I just honestly don't care if ghettos get walled off and turned into Escape-From-New-York style prisons.

    And as I said, I'm a fan of education being publicly funded. That's the real key to avoiding poverty. Everyone can avoid poverty if they're educated properly. What stops people from saving money? They go out and buy smartphones and go out to eat and buy all kinds of stuff they don't need. When adversity comes, they're never ready because they never think it'll come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribunal View Post
    P.s. Pure Libertarian-ism is a lot like Communism... much better on paper.

    Ideally, in a non-regulated market, the cost of health services would go down. Realistically, Mr. Trained Doctor who is making six figures wants to continue making six figures, and healthcare remains a bastion of the rich. New players can enter the market much more freely, but as a result they're just-as-if-not-more likely to be Bill with a Hacksaw than an actual, trained Doctor. Gradual change to more accessible and affordable training MIGHT happen over decades, but the nation would have to survive the transition that long and even then it's rather unlikely.
    Glad you mentioned it. If you decriminalized practicing medicine without ta license, you'd have clinics spring up where people with rudimentary medical knowledge could serve many medical needs without the need for a $100 Dr visit. It might cost a fraction of that.

  11. #191
    Quote Originally Posted by Tribunal View Post
    Ideally, in a non-regulated market, the cost of health services would go down. Realistically, Mr. Trained Doctor who is making six figures wants to continue making six figures, and healthcare remains a bastion of the rich. New players can enter the market, but they're just-as-if-not-more likely to be Bill with a Hacksaw than an actual, trained Doctor. Gradual change to more accessible and affordable training MIGHT happen over decades, but the nation would have to survive the transition that long and even then it's rather unlikely.
    The U.S. has many of the greatest hospitals in the world, and as little change as possible to make it affordable is very important. If you change it too drastically, advanced medical care will very likely suffer.

  12. #192
    I hate living in this piece of shit state.
    Signature Nazi's suck.

  13. #193
    Quote Originally Posted by semaphore View Post
    No, but I see you're going to pretend that's anything like what you actually said. Which was advocating letting poor people die as a "valid end".
    I'm not the one letting them die. I would never let my friends or neighbors die without lifting a finger.

    What about their own friends and neighbors? Why aren't they doing anything?

    That's the question you should be asking.

  14. #194
    I'm going to go ahead and sig that so I can do you the favor of saving you from having to ever post in a thread about poverty or welfare again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laize View Post
    I'm not the one letting them die. I would never let my friends or neighbors die without lifting a finger.

    What about their own friends and neighbors? Why aren't they doing anything?

    That's the question you should be asking.
    Because people who are poor as shit have neighbors and family and friends who are poor as shit?
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  15. #195
    Quote Originally Posted by Laize View Post
    Glad you mentioned it. If you decriminalized practicing medicine without ta license, you'd have clinics spring up where people with rudimentary medical knowledge could serve many medical needs without the need for a $100 Dr visit. It might cost a fraction of that.
    The real problem would be all the law suits waged against bad doctors. It would severely tie up the courts. And actually, I only pay 15$ a doctor visit... 25$ for a specialist. It's a great deal, insurance is awesome.

  16. #196
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post

    Because people who are poor as shit have neighbors and family and friends who are poor as shit?
    Which you fix by educating them.

    How often do you meet educated men who are poor as shit?

    PS - I like the new sig. Ever been to a ghetto? They probably SHOULD be walled off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skizo View Post
    The real problem would be all the law suits waged against bad doctors. It would severely tie up the courts. And actually, I only pay 15$ a doctor visit...
    Well that would be an incentive for bad practitioners to refer patients up the chain when a condition is beyond their expertise.

  17. #197
    Quote Originally Posted by Laize View Post
    Which you fix by educating them.

    How often do you meet educated men who are poor as shit?
    You are entirely aware the economy will always have poor people because the economy will always require people who do work that is only economically viable at poverty wages.
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  18. #198
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    You are entirely aware the economy will always have poor people because the economy will always require people who do work that is only economically viable at poverty wages.
    Those usually wind up being entry-level workers. Those people work their way up in the company. You know, younger workers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laize View Post
    Glad you mentioned it. If you decriminalized practicing medicine without ta license, you'd have clinics spring up where people with rudimentary medical knowledge could serve many medical needs without the need for a $100 Dr visit. It might cost a fraction of that.
    You'll also, as I expressly mentioned, get idiots who do more harm than good - a problem we already have now with licencing would become even more of a massive issue.

    A medical professional is one of only a few service providers who can end or seriously maim someone's life so handily. There's no "just don't continue to patronize them" for that.

    Education is worthy of regulation (including of teachers, I presume) but not medicine? Really? I could understand making a case for making med school less necessary for basic family practice, but not total deregulation, not within a real-world, first-world country framework.

  20. #200
    Quote Originally Posted by Laize View Post
    Those usually wind up being entry-level workers. Those people work their way up in the company. You know, younger workers.
    You missed the point. You're saying education is the cure for poverty. I'm saying an economy requires poverty.
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