View Poll Results: Do you want Thrall back as Warchief?

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  • Yes.

    48 14.63%
  • Yes, but Warchief Thrall, not Warchief Go'el.

    104 31.71%
  • Yes, but Warchief Go'el, not Warchief Thrall.

    12 3.66%
  • No, I want a new Warchief.

    164 50.00%
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  1. #141
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    Thrall is a boring character, since his plots have been done already.
    It became clear that it wasn’t realistic to try to get the audience back to being more hardcore, as it had been in the past. -- Tom Chilton

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    No, I want either Saurfang or Rexxar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    Nazgrims to much of a tool.
    Nazgrim is just as much a tool as any of us player characters. He's a soldier. He does what he's ordered. That doesn't mean he necessarily likes carrying out every order. He said as much in Grizzly Hills when we met him the first time. "Oh, they sent you here? They must not like you very much." That sort of thing. He fights for the Horde's banner. Oops, so do we, and all the rest of the Horde including every one of the other racial leaders, including Thrall. He issued strict orders for his men not to harass the mixed-race crew of the ship that brought them to Vashj'ir. He fought tooth and nail to defend said men when they were swarmed by naga, to free them when they were enslaved. And the only time I've heard him mention Garrosh's name was to lament that Hellscream would take his head for getting the airship destroyed.

    So really. Lay off the guy. He's cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drilnos View Post
    Nazgrim is just as much a tool as any of us player characters. He's a soldier. He does what he's ordered. That doesn't mean he necessarily likes carrying out every order. He said as much in Grizzly Hills when we met him the first time. "Oh, they sent you here? They must not like you very much." That sort of thing. He fights for the Horde's banner. Oops, so do we, and all the rest of the Horde including every one of the other racial leaders, including Thrall. He issued strict orders for his men not to harass the mixed-race crew of the ship that brought them to Vashj'ir. He fought tooth and nail to defend said men when they were swarmed by naga, to free them when they were enslaved. And the only time I've heard him mention Garrosh's name was to lament that Hellscream would take his head for getting the airship destroyed.

    So really. Lay off the guy. He's cool.
    Nazgrim isn't a player character, he's a lore character, and his actions are there to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    Nazgrim isn't a player character, he's a lore character, and his actions are there to see.
    No kidding? Since I've gone ahead and listed out his actions in that post, why don't you list out the ones that make him a mongoloid bootlicker like you keep asserting? Or is it only negative actions that count? If a character doesn't spit in Garrosh's eye at least once that makes him a "tool"? Because if all it takes is waging war in the name of the Horde, then Vol'jin, Cairne, Baine, Sylvanas, Lor'themar, Thrall, and everyone else right down to Sassy Hardwrench is a complete and utter tool.

    I'm beginning to suspect you don't like orcs at all. You like Thrall, who is an extremely atypical specimen, and that's it. If all the other orcs died out you'd be perfectly happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drilnos View Post
    No kidding? Since I've gone ahead and listed out his actions in that post, why don't you list out the ones that make him a mongoloid bootlicker like you keep asserting? Or is it only negative actions that count? If a character doesn't spit in Garrosh's eye at least once that makes him a "tool"? Because if all it takes is waging war in the name of the Horde, then Vol'jin, Cairne, Baine, Sylvanas, Lor'themar, Thrall, and everyone else right down to Sassy Hardwrench is a complete and utter tool.

    I'm beginning to suspect you don't like orcs at all. You like Thrall, who is an extremely atypical specimen, and that's it. If all the other orcs died out you'd be perfectly happy.
    So because I don't like warmongering, idiotic orcs that means I must dislike all orcs? Which part of admiring the honorable orcs who understood what real honor meant didn't you understand? Saurfang, Durotan, Draka, Eitrigg, most of the frostwolves, examples of orcs who live beyond the warmonger cut and paste tools such as in Garrosh's current horde. The orcs were far better before all this crap happen.

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    So war is bad?
    Because whoever the Warchief the Horde has always been waging war against someone.
    We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    So war is bad?
    Because whoever the Warchief the Horde has always been waging war against someone.
    YES, War is bad. and this war between horde and alliance is retarded. Its just a play act to satisfy some kids playing a game without any true end to it. Its just some turf war between both sides that you know none will ever win.

    When you make characters become warmongering and trying to beat the other side, all they will end up as are raid bosses. They either get over the dam issues (like Varian) or go on to become end bosses (like Garrosh). Thats all that will ever happen in wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    YES, War is bad. and this war between horde and alliance is retarded. Its just a play act to satisfy some kids playing a game without any true end to it. Its just some turf war between both sides that you know none will ever win.
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    Maybe if this was real life I would agree with that, but since this is a game, War is god dam awsome.

    And the war against the Alliance and Horde isnt any more retarded than war against demons, undead, or murlocs.
    We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"

  10. #150
    Why does the warchief have to be Orc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    Maybe if this was real life I would agree with that, but since this is a game, War is god dam awsome.

    And the war against the Alliance and Horde isnt any more retarded than war against demons, undead, or murlocs.
    sigh.. you just compared two factions fighting each other with no outright end against fighting against evil and chaotic creatures.

    Neither horde or alliance are evil they are player factions who fight to survive. Factions like the scourge or burning legion want to destroy all life. Murlocs are just murlocs they pissed me off at lower levels and need to die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parlaa View Post
    Why does the warchief have to be Orc?
    why does the king of stormwind need to be a human? Why does the elven ruler of darnassus need to be a night elf.

    the warchief is an orc, end of. Blizzard themselves have said this so why argue against it?

  12. #152
    The shift from Thrall to Garrosh Hellscream was a much needed change of pace. Sure, they might play up his jingoist nature a little too much at times, but his antithetical nature to Thrall's growing pacifism is great and has sparked my interest in the unfolding of his storyline in Pandaria.

    Hopefully they'll throw some surprises in there along the way. We know he'll be the final boss, and that he'll probably be Sha-infused in some way, but to what extent?

  13. #153
    Garrosh Hellscream for life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bionics View Post
    The shift from Thrall to Garrosh Hellscream was a much needed change of pace. Sure, they might play up his jingoist nature a little too much at times, but his antithetical nature to Thrall's growing pacifism is great and has sparked my interest in the unfolding of his storyline in Pandaria.

    Hopefully they'll throw some surprises in there along the way. We know he'll be the final boss, and that he'll probably be Sha-infused in some way, but to what extent?
    But it isn't a change of pace, not if your someone who paid attention to the lore in its longevity. The change if pace came from Thralls leadership, since before Thrall the orcs were lead by warmongering savages and backstabbers. Garrosh is just doing what ones like blackhand or his sons did, that isn't a change of pace at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    why does the king of stormwind need to be a human? Why does the elven ruler of darnassus need to be a night elf.

    the warchief is an orc, end of. Blizzard themselves have said this so why argue against it?
    Excluding tradition there is nothing that says the Warchief must be an Orc. Cairne wanted to be the temporary Warchief and nobody had any qualms about that, nor was there any objection when the declaring the Mak'gora.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scummer View Post
    Excluding tradition there is nothing that says the Warchief must be an Orc. Cairne wanted to be the temporary Warchief and nobody had any qualms about that, nor was there any objection when the declaring the Mak'gora.
    Urm, yes there is, blizzard, you know those development guys who made this game, them saying it will always be an orc pretty much covers it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    picking Suarfang or Cairne at that time would have had their own set of problems
    I am pretty sure their problems would be marginally disproportionate to Garrosh.....
    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    Those decisions came from the writers giving to much credence to the obnoxious fanbase who kept pining for war war war war war.

    It lead to lore characters making moronic and out of character decisions, its not just Thrall. Jaina and Tyrande have suffered the same because the playerbase bitch about the lore, and yet can't let anything develop over time. The very reason Garrosh became what he is came down to that same player base gripping for more war war war.
    Well even they made stupid decisions because of the playerbase it does not mean that those decisions should not matter. I don't think Thrall's choice of leader was totally out of character, his weakness is trusting in people too much. As for garrosh...What can I say...I think we have talked about blizzard bi-polarness towards him. It is like they never even gave him a fn chance. He was bad first off then he turned okayish then they basically killed any sense of character advancement he had left.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    Urm, yes there is, blizzard, you know those development guys who made this game, them saying it will always be an orc pretty much covers it.
    Where did they say this at?
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  18. #158
    i would love to see rexxar our saurfang as warchief both most fitting for a burning legion expansion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    sigh.. you just compared two factions fighting each other with no outright end against fighting against evil and chaotic creatures.

    Neither horde or alliance are evil they are player factions who fight to survive. Factions like the scourge or burning legion want to destroy all life. Murlocs are just murlocs they pissed me off at lower levels and need to die.
    Yet the lore characters are not aware that they cant defeat the other faction due to gameplay reasons

    It dsnt matter if they are seen as good or evil, enemies are enemies. And the conflict and tension between the factions is one of the major story arcs for Warcraft
    We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"

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    Thrall is Go'el, and Go'el is Thrall. Do not compute what kind of flamewar OP want...

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