people really think banning bot is easy? XDDDDD
god those people around this forums, stop qqing, and enjoy the game
(if u enjoy the game doing random bgs then lol)
I used bot for BGs though with carefully selected profile that actually contributes to the game. Could i contribute more - sure, would i want to go through it for Xs time in my live - no. Item upgrade system drove a final nail in the coffin for me - i googled bot, took my time to research ins and outs about customised profiles and set it on the farm. You can blame me and peoples alike, but take a look on Blizz increasing farm by 15000 honor for no reason, denying ppls a right to have adequate pvp weapon aviable for honor (even ilvl 458 honor weapon would be great to start with becouse of insane amount of PvP Power it gives), decreasing valor points gain again for no reason and forcing everybody and their moms to do stupid dailies to get ready for raids.
What was wrong with runing dungeons for faction rep through tabard system? Nothing. Blizz just wanted ppls to go to open world, but it's time to admit that open world in WoW sucks and can't be remedied. In GW2 world provides insane amount of randomized content, great gfx, events, jumping puzzles, exploration. In WoW it provides you with dailies that no normal human would enjoy after 85-90 pandaria quest grind. It's RBGs, arenas and raids community is after in WoW. And Blizz simply forced a botting issue themself increasing grind twofold in 9 years old game, seriously their developers aren't bright at all...
A cool story about BG bots:
Yesterday (Around 00.00), I decided to do some BGs. And as everyone knows - this bracket is FULL of bots from 23.00-06.00 (Europe atleast).
So I got into Battle of Gilneas, and a warlock popped a HS well. Guess what, 7 people moved over to it instantly then back to their spot.
And us other 3 was like - lawl, dem bots u knw!
So we went for WW while the bots went for LH (Ally btw), and then when LH was capped the bots spread out to WW and Mine - capping mine and pwning hordes at WW. We won that battle with 3 nodes, and the horde got a total of 140 points.
And this was with us having 70% bots.
If this was a fight with 100% players - we'd probably would have lost. As alliance scrubs never defend or anything.
So give more balance! 50/50 bots and Players in each BG! (Except Isle of Conquest, the pathing there just dosnt seem to work out for the bots. "OMgz out of gate! NO INSIDE GATE! No out of gate.. Wait wuuut?! INSIDE AGAIN!")
Norwegian and proud if it, not really. But I am. Too bad beer and tobaco is so damn expensive here.
Blizzard about balance:
PvP: Execute Melee/Needs Rage(issue) 30k noncrit : Shadowburn Ranged/mana(nonissue) 130k noncrit, can you explain?
-We try not to design abilities to be mirror images of each other.
Just a heads up, a Lot of people keep reporting the OP for 'Naming and Shaming' and/or botting himself. Yes, I see the like 30 reports you guys have put in at this point - here is why I have done nothing.
At no point that I see did the OP suggest they themselves were botting. In the screenshot posted, they had just as much activity as the bots, and clearly spent all game standing around taking pictures of them and DC'ing, which I think is why people are reporting the post.
Naming and Shaming only really applies to other people on this forum, notable / e-famous wow players, or people who are wrongfully accused of something they did not do. Naming by itself is not an offense, Shame is only relevant within a social context. Example: if we have to interact with this person, know of this person beforehand, or know that this person didn't actually do the things of which they stand accused.
If someone makes a post about how Talbadar is a hacker and links his armory - without providing real evidence that he hacks - that's naming and shaming. It also protects you all from armory trolling. If you post in a thread about how much you like bunny rabbits for pet battles, and someone armories you and starts call you bad for only having an 1100 arena rating - that could also be naming and shaming. However, if you tell us your hunter is a multi-gladiator and we should all take your odd/incorrect opinions as the word of law because of your experience, but then someone clicks your armory link in your signature and points out that you actually have zero arena experience of any kind: that's not naming and shaming.
The purpose of the rule in my interpretation is to defend extreme and directed abuse at individuals. I will always rule in favour of true things (even if harsh: calling a noob a noob) over the letter of the law when it is used to obfuscate reality (infracting people for pointing out that a noob is a noob). The rule doesn't exist to protect non-posting, non-famous bots from being called bots. Hope that clears it up for the future.
Note that the OP at no point called out any of the individuals in that screenshot as being bots, he posted a picture that - taken in isolation - does suggest they are bots, but the intent of his post was not to shame the individuals in the picture - but to discuss the severity of botting in battlegrounds. If they are bots, then shame is probably deserved - but because of the social distance - any shame created by this thread never reaches them. If they are not bots, then all 10 of them (OP included) AFK'd through a battleground doing no damage or healing or objectives, some shame may again be warranted - but it is neither the intent of the OP to shame them, nor does any shame generated by this thread reach any of them (except the OP, who consents implicitly by creating the thread).
There are a lot of things you can call somebody that are harmful. When untrue, name-calling can be libel - when true, name-calling can be shameful.I suppose as long as someone isn't posting here to defend themselves you can say what you want about them.
A published false statement that is damaging to a person's reputation; a written defamation.
Libel only applies when it is damaging to a persons reputation, without social contact we are not damaging their reputation within their social sphere. Libel is also only valid when the statement is false, calling a noob a noob could be shameful - but it's not libel - calling a bot a bot is neither libel or shameful (because bots don't feel shame). If the published statement is true, then libel did not occur - but shame may have. To determine whether shame is occurring, the attack must be directed (the OP's is not), it must have the capacity to inflict shame (the lack of social overlap between the players/bots in question and the forum-posters), and it must be contested. If someone commits libel you have to file a lawsuit, the forums have a rule for shame - but unless someone comes forward and disputes the charge, no appeal is necessary.
The whole profit conspiracy is funny.
Ever thought about this? Ban bot=botting player buys a new game?
If anything, the people who really want to cash in here, are the fucking people who write these bot softwares. I guess there's no real end to this, but it's clear some people here have abit more clue than others in how these things work out. You tackle the problem at it's roots, you don't just pick at it slowly..
I don't believe that conspiracy theory. What I DO believe is that Blizzard is complacent about this problem. And that while they ARE making more money off of these accounts (bg botters are NOT compromised accounts, they're paying customers) I also think that Blizzard realizes that this IS a gain monetarily in the short term.
Originally Posted by High Overlord Saurfangi7-860 @2.8GHz | Radeon HD 7770 | 8GB DDR3-1333MHz | Corsair CX 430W |
The next alternative is to adopt a fierce botting = permaban policy. The problem with this is that there are actually people in this day and age who get their accounts compromised, and the intruder will automate the account into a gold farm. You might be right in that someone botting BG's is not likely doing so on a compromised account.
It's not a cut and dry fix. you either do a ban wave, axe a sizable % of your playerbase, or you try and cut off the source.
If they were all bots how come everyone is 0/0/0 etc. Anyone using a proper bot isn't going to use an AFK bot in a BG.
If they're using Honorbuddy the bot seeks out enemy plays to attack, caps points, defends points etc, uses a set rotation for attacks/heals. If anything the bots actually do more for a battleground than 90% of players.
I'm not trying to defend blizzard but this isn't Blizzards fault.
If it gets to a point where there is that many bots its the player bases fault for botting in the first place.
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Player calls blizz claiming they are hacked, account is only accessed from 1 IP address. Player is lying and perma ban remains.
If said persons account has a totally different IP to the person playing there account then a temp ban should be made and a authenticator sent to there homes to use.
For example in eye of the storms the normal horde bots run in a group between fel reaver and belf, while alliance bots run between mage tower and draenei runs and never going mid for the flag, thus never enganging other players.
Btw Xeraxis, on whose paycheck are you? Or actually, I suppose you're a botter yourself?
The basic profile will run between the two bases, yes, when there isn't a large group of allies to run around with since that's what the bot does, searches for the largest group to follow and then proceeds to attack people.
I think you could be onto something here!