Sorry for mistaking your argument. You're right, I don't know as much on this subject; my attitude has grown rather overzealous, so I jumped into a discussion without doing my research.
Off topic*though i admit i didn't read all the pages* But even though its heating up really quick, compared to the last couple millennia we're actually still in the down stroke of a cooling off on the up and down cycle of the enviroment. The problem is we're doing it to fast for life to adapt properly, not that it hasn't happened before tens of thousands of times.
Let's face it, if Global warming was as real as they say, Al Gore would have demanded presidency and we'd all be flying around like the Jetsons by now.
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It has been scientifically proven that our beloved earth goes through cycles, the closer we come to an ice age the more extreme the weather will become and so on. I do believe in global warming to a point, we have hastened the process between ice ages but not by much. We do need to address pollution but not because of global warming, but because of the global PH value that has gone straight to hell.
Intelligent people won't say "Oh, this climate scientist is denying global warming. So therefore, GW is not a real thing." without looking into who is funding their research, and how much money they are getting.
But I don't believe deniers. I think they're denying for many reasons. But it isn't because they believe Global Warming isn't a reality. Most people aren't that ignorant.
Perfect example of why "community" forums are poisonous to the health of a development team. These developers are wasting hundreds of hours trying to stem the tide of incessant bitchery that would never, ever abate so long as these entitled, unfortunate human beings don't get their way.
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People who watch FOX news think they have an excellent reliable source of accurate information, for example.
And, to quote a great line from Classic Doctor Who:
"Logic, my dear Zoe, merely enables one to be wrong with authority!"
Too bad you didn't take your own advice. Talking about the modest increase of Antarctic sea ice is outright deceitful, because it ignores the fact that Antarctic land ice has seen a drastic decline - causing the small sea ice in the first place. And the Arctic has not rebounded - it reached record low this year. When the only arguments you have relies on deliberately discarding almost all data, you know your denialism is on its last legs.The Antarctic sea ice extent has been at or near record extent in past few summers; the Arctic has rebounded in recent years since the low point in 2007... I'm sure if you google you can find more infomation about it.
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Yes. Do you dispute that CO2 is a greenhouse gas?And lets say it is man caused, it is CO2 caused?
Then maybe you should start listening to the real science which says that the Earth is warming, humans are causing it, and it's CO2? Instead of pretending it's a liberal hoax?I'm just really tired of the liberal freak out fest by the left, using this issue to gain political power and ascend into power by fear mongering. We need real science and real solutions.
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Its not so damn much about climate changes, its HOW WE SHOULD TREET THE WORLD WE LIVE INN.
Gas, pollution and other shit aint healthy for you. If you live inn a urban city with alot of traffic and whatnot you're a risk off getting lung-cancer, or whatever...Im not a doctor. Its been said again and again if you live inn a place/out to a road with alot of traffic you aint living healthy - That should be the hole point.
Also Denmark, we are the best country inn the euro-zone for CO2, I think I heard...And we got a good standard of living. Think about that for one secound. We all want fresh clean air, and no insane oil leaks inn our ocean and shit.
I do not hate wow. I'm just (was) very passionated about it. There is a difference. Everyone rants about thing's they think changed badly.
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The term "Global Warming" is used primarily by the alarmists in an effort to get the ignorant masses to panic. That's why I don't "believe in" it.
The fact is, the climate is changing. Specifically, the earth is generally getting warmer. This isn't the first time it's happened, nor will it be the last. It's the height of foolishness to blame it all on mankind, as the alarmists do, and that's why I have nothing but disdain for them. Are we helping the situation? No. Are we making it worse? At least a little. Are we all gonna die? No. Are we gonna destroy the planet? No. Are we at least gonna ruin the planet? No. Not even a little? Well, it depends on your definition of "a little", but by my definition NO, we are not.
Is reducing pollution a good thing? Of course. But it's not some sort of divine goal that absolutely must be our primary focus.
The debate of whether or not human activities are causing the mean global temperature to rise is held in political circles and by the general public not science. The scientific consensus is that human activities are causing this warming and the resulting climate changes.
FFS, must I spell it out so a 4 year can understand?
I ACCEPT that climate change is occuring, you would have to be severely retarded to deny it.
I ACCEPT man is having an influence on the climate.
However, man's influence is pitiful and indeed just another chapter in Earth's history.
As I said before, manmade=natural, do not believe me? So you assume man came from outer space (not talking about amino acid seeding by asteroids here) or a 'God' put us here? Plants and animals just love the new ecosystems man has created call towns and cities!
Do not worry about climate change, the Earth surely does not. It could not give a fuck if the temperature rises by 20 degrees Celsius or drops by 50.
It has seen it all before, a much more carbon dioxide rich atmosphere and a much more oxygen rich atmosphere.
What man needs to do is start ADAPTING to the changes and stop crying about them - becoming town dwellers and the digital age has made us Westerners much more lazy, too prone for bitching rather than doing - always looking for someone or something to blame.
Move away from low lying coastal areas, start using more renewables.
But there is no way we can stop the natural procress, it would have happened if man had existed or not - and even reducing the population of the globe by 99% will not reverse it.
Now, enjoy your new green products and fancy taxes to make greedy men more rich.
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Scientific Consensus says that Global Climate Change induced Global Warming that is also Anthropogenic (caused by humans) is both real and conclusive. The very few denialism articles are published by those with very little credibility in the field and base degrees of knowledge.
In other words, the deniers believe a bunch of crazy lunatics who don't know what they're talking about, and the informed who accept anthropogenic global warming follow a well respected and knowledgeable community of climate scientists.
You mean the subsidies paid for lower gas prices that ultimately get paid by our tax dollars, so that oil companies can continue to make record profits?Now, enjoy your new green products and fancy taxes to make greedy men more rich.
Arguing semantics is nothing to be proud of.As I said before, manmade=natural,
Yeah, no. What's happening now is only happening because of human carbon emission. This is not a natural process no matter what word games you play.But there is no way we can stop the natural procress, it would have happened if man had existed or not
Nobody denies climate change. It's just that some of us aren't arrogant enough to think that humanity alone is causing it. It's happened before.
With all due respect, saying "it's happened before" is just being ignorant. Natural climate change is extremely slow and does not happen for no discernible reason. We know why the planet is warming now. That it has warmed for different reasons in the past is not the sort of super duper meaningful point that skeptics think it is when they bring it up every single page.
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Fact: The Earth is currently way below average temperature, due to recovery from the previous ice age
Fact: Sea levels are currently one of the lowest they have ever been
Fact: The earth goes through cycles of hot and cold (similar to Katy perrys top hit song)
Fact: We are leaving a cold cycle and entering a hotter cycle, thus temperatures will increase
Fact: Humans are contributing to global warming
Debateable: How much humans are contributing to global warming, personally I believe it is very little in the grand scheme of things
Consider yourself educated tiger blood style
(Sources - An Education in Geography and Geology, and generally not being an uneducated idiot)
Additionally, there are even scientists who believe that the flatulences of dinosaurs have caused more CO2 emissions than humans nowadays.
It's a continuous cycle, and humans are accelerating it a bit.
I couldn't care less about global warming and here's why;
Unless you all are willing to live the life style of a Cuban you will never be able to control it. Cap and trade has already proven to be ineffective in the E.U. and turns out to be just another market for some people to get rich. don't fool yourself. to save the planet you have to give up your modern lifestyle.. until you all come to that conclusion and act on it I'm just going to enjoy my modern life.
We don't know enough about the history of the global temperatures to know just how far and how fast things have gotten warmer.
I'm not saying it's not happening, I should point that out, but I'm just saying the models used to show us we're doomed are horribly flawed and have been proved to be so:
Accurate records for temperature only go back about 100 years, before that you start having to use proxies and some of those used (especially for the Hockey Stick) were a bit suspect to start with.
Again it's worth pointing out that it's not that I don't believe it's happening, I just think we don't know enough to call it so surely and more work (open and honest work) needs to be done to look into it.
Only complete loons believe in "man-made" global warming.
O sure, Earth's been here for like, forever, and we humans have changed the climate in a matter of a couple of centuries? Righttttt!