I think people are stuck in a time warp of 40-50 years ago when the only people that wanted to "save the earth" were pot smokers. These days it's scientists and most of the developed world. Some people are just behind the times.
2nd, point to the evidence "at my house 8 years ago...." has zero basis in fact and as thus can be completely disregarded.
There have been many threads about global warming in this off-topic forum, and it usually has the pro-global warming saying "give me a study to back up your claims or gtfo." Now we have this thread with no evidence, just 1 subjective observation from somewhere in Canada...
It's just that I know from experience that the next step for some folks here is to enact ridiculous "green policies" that will destroy the world economy.
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But to answer what I think is your question: Yes, when I consider what's economically viable I also take a look into the far future. That said, any economic gain in the future is worth much, much less than the same gain right now.
"No man no, peak oil is a scam, we are not running out of oil, my father and one of my brothers are mining engineers and worked/works for major oil companies, they know their stuff, when asked about peak oil my father always relates the story of a professor claiming (in the 60s) oil would run out in the 80s and exactly the same thing happened to my brother in the late 90s, but the endtime was around 2010 this time lol. Prophets of doom always have and always will exist. People need to think critically. Even Spain has found oil bro."
Oil is not running out and peak oil prophets have always been wrong. Will we run out of oil? no. Will we run out of cheap oil? So far, for the next 50 years no. Technology is key. Fracking, economically viable fracking that is, was something unthinkable in the 70s, but look now, it's booming. In 20 years we will see a boom in Venezuela and Canada. Same with gas btw.
I think many people fail to look at the history of oil. There have been many occasions when the known oil reserves have been seriously low (especially late 19th century and early 20th century). Yet surprisingly as our methods improved, we were able to find more of it and use it more efficiently.
The market price of oil just doesn't reflect the peak oil hysteria that you sometimes see. And the guys who involve themselves in the oil market are the producers who have inside information about future oil supply, as well as oil users who know the demand side. Oil prices aren't going to spike because we run out of oil in the ground, they might spike because of politics or some huge accidents/catastrophes.
Using anecdotes to jump to conclusions by acting as though the argument that oil will run out depends on "a (random unnamed) professor claiming".relates the story of a professor claiming (in the 60s) oil would run out in the 80s and exactly the same thing happened to my brother in the late 90s
Agree it's not very scientifical, but when your leftist greeny prophets start retreating then it's time to call a spade a spade:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ong?intcmp=122 that comes from a rabid anti-oiler.
We have gone from "we are running out of oil" to "oil is plenty but man don't you think about the trees!"
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There are probably a lot of poorly made ones out there that are indeed to gouge you for your money, but look out for the ones with warranties and guarantees. They're probably going to hold themselves to a much higher standard of quality and lasting power if people will actually hold them to that promise of quality.
This proves that "peak oil is a scam, we are not running out of oil", how? It is impossible to argue against the fact that we will run out of oil.In 1975 MK Hubbert, a geoscientist working for Shell who had correctly predicted the decline in US oil production, suggested that global supplies could peak in 1995. In 1997 the petroleum geologist Colin Campbell estimated that it would happen before 2010.