I saw a guy get beaten to death and didn't do anything about it

**tombstoner139** · 2012-12-10, 10:54 PM

what i think you have is a form of survivors guilt.
you could try and contact the police in Pakistan email should work.

**Thimagryn** · 2012-12-10, 10:55 PM

Read a news story a while back about a poor rural family in China being forced off their property because the government wanted the land. The Gov bought the surrounding land and was forcing the family to sign over their land, but they refused. Soon they sent groups of people to try to force them out physically. A group of 30 enters the house and harms the mother physically. The father and son happened to practice kung fu, and they kicked the ass of 7 of em and made the others run out of the house and keep a distance. They even shot a video clip of the aftermath and put it up on the internet, granting them some internet fame.

This is what most people who read stuff like this play in their heads of how justice and karma prevails. However, the sad truth is after the events they feared for their lives and didn't dare leave the house for long; and a group of 50 people were sent to get them out of the house soon after. Even the police wouldn't help them, and the family was moved off the land. This is the sad truth of reality, and while having fought back they might have bought some time, it didn't do much but escalate an already bad situation.

It takes more than balls and a good heart to deal with these kind of problems, you also need the power and support to make sure you're not just making the situation worse.

**Buttfear** · 2012-12-10, 10:56 PM

I want to quote Obi-Wan after Luke's aunt and uncle were killed.

"There was nothing you could have done, Luke, had you been there. You'd have been killed too, and the droids would now be in the hands of the Empire."

So if you would've interfered you would've shared the same fate and your uncle's meds would've been in the hands of the gangsters.

Now go become a jedi and teach those scum a lesson!

**nailbomb** · 2012-12-10, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by DEATHETERNAL

Being killed in a gun fight with the purpose of having a small yet realistic chance of saving an innocent? I call that a worthy death.

watch out guys, looks like we got a bad ass over here

Infracted: Please post constructively.

**Harpocrates** · 2012-12-10, 11:00 PM

id expect something like that to happen in pakistan and i dont know if your actions were normal or not as i wouldnt go there myself, if i did id have a gun and i would have shot at every one of them. the people there act like animals, treat like animals...so visiting there you should be prepared to take an animal down if needed

**Pfeff** · 2012-12-10, 11:03 PM

Self preservation is man's foremost thought. Blame nature for you wanting to save your own life, not yourself

**Howlrunner** · 2012-12-10, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by Harpocrates

id expect something like that to happen in pakistan and i dont know if your actions were normal or not as i wouldnt go there myself, if i did id have a gun and i would have shot at every one of them. the people there act like animals, treat like animals...so visiting there you should be prepared to take an animal down if needed

Curious as to *how* you would get a gun? You won't get one through custom's of your own country, let alone smuggling one into a politically and legally corrupt one without flagging yourself as a highly noticable foriegner and being fucked within days of arrival, by either police looking for extra money/someone to pin a crime on, or a gang looking for protection money/extortion. That's not even if you don't piss off one of many highly volatile groups in the area, just itching for someone to pin some blame on/take something out on. Many Arabic Nation's under extremist or recovering form extremist rule just *love* armed Western peeps running round their home with firearms.
People talk so much crap especially on the net sometimes it's unreal.

**kaiz** · 2012-12-10, 11:08 PM

There's nothing you could do, some places in the world are just really fucked up beyond help.

**Themius** · 2012-12-10, 11:09 PM

That's just horrible. I felt emotional reading it... I am too empathetic I guess.

**Bergtau** · 2012-12-10, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by DEATHETERNAL

Being killed in a gun fight with the purpose of having a small yet realistic chance of saving an innocent? I call that a worthy death.

I call that insanity. Like, have you ever been evaluated? Because if you want to save innocent lives, you don't throw your own life away in a vain attempt to save one person. Throwing your life away in such a manner is counter to survival instincts, which is where the insanity comes in. It isn't strength that allows you to do something foolish.

**JimPaladin** · 2012-12-10, 11:11 PM

I was sort of believing it up until the point you claimed to know the taxi driver and knew his name and stuff.

I call that insanity. Like, have you ever been evaluated? Because if you want to save innocent lives, you don't throw your own life away in a vain attempt to save one person. Throwing your life away in such a manner is counter to survival instincts, which is where the insanity comes in. It isn't strength that allows you to do something foolish.

UM I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF SACRIFICING MYSELF TO SAVE SOMEONE ELSE AND I BELIEVE THAT ANYONE WHO FEELS THE INNER DUTY TO PROTECT ANOTHER PERSON'S LIFE IS INSANE BECAUSE IT GOES AGAINST BASIC NATURAL INSTINCT.

Mmochampion Forums at work, people.

TJ · 2012-12-10, 11:11 PM

You might think you did the wrong thing but that was definitely the right thing, you likely would've died if you tried to attack them or anything like that. Smart move and don't think otherwise.

**Howlrunner** · 2012-12-10, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by Bergtau

I call that insanity. Like, have you ever been evaluated? Because if you want to save innocent lives, you don't throw your own life away in a vain attempt to save one person. Throwing your life away in such a manner is counter to survival instincts, which is where the insanity comes in. It isn't strength that allows you to do something foolish.

You call it insanity, I call it standard MMO Champ forum bell-end Bulls**t. The guy is talking out of his backside in an attempt to validate his own ego/self-worth by bigging himself up. See the same crap when you hear idiots think they can take on 6 guys alone in a bar when they weigh 50kg and watched a Bruce Lee movie once.
Standard "Dunning-Kruger" effect in action.

Always makes me laugh seeing people condemn/point out their higher value of morality when they are sat comfortably at home, and the closest they have come to mortal peril is when they had too many Taco's the night before, and they ran out of toilet paper.

**Sialanne** · 2012-12-10, 11:17 PM

I don't think you're a bad person, but I do think you're a person of poor moral fortitude

**Eowenn** · 2012-12-10, 11:20 PM

People in gangs are simply cowards. They're just like bikers, strength in numbers.

If you intervened, it is likely that they would have killed you too. Throwing your life away like that would be ridiculous.

Take the experience as a lesson. Don't hide from it or try to forget it. Embrace it and get in a situation where you CAN help.

**Metallikiddd** · 2012-12-10, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by SunShot

I understand its kind of a trauma to you, but be patient, time will heal mental injuries like this, first of all Pakistan is other world than u used to live in Canada, different rules of life there, now if you want to justify your position in that situation, well think like this, yes, you would look like a hero if u would stood for that man, but think what would happen to yourself then? Killed, maybe in coma if lucky enough, you could have saved one, but now you have opportunity to save more, to do more good things in life, life is a great gift, don't risk with it by playing heroes ( unless you have super-natural powaz)

or bribe the military to show up and cut them down with 50 cals and all the while taping it. then broadcast it on tv and tell those gangs what happens when they pull shit like that, doh.

**JimPaladin** · 2012-12-10, 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by Howlrunner

You call it insanity, I call it standard MMO Champ forum bell-end Bulls**t. The guy is talking out of his backside in an attempt to validate his own ego/self-worth by bigging himself up. See the same crap when you hear idiots think they can take on 6 guys alone in a bar when they weigh 50kg and watched a Bruce Lee movie once.
Standard "Dunning-Kruger" effect in action.

Always makes me laugh seeing people condemn/point out their higher value of morality when they are sat comfortably at home, and the closest they have come to mortal peril is when they had too many Taco's the night before, and they ran out of toilet paper.

I'm not exactly defending the guy who made the original "worthy death" post, but being an assumptuious prick who just thinks that anyone who says they'd go out of their own safety to protect an innocent is just some skinny/fat nerd who watches kung-fu movies is, well, no better than being a fat/skinny nerd who watches kung-fu movies.

Granted, of course, it's likely that 90% of the time the person talking about how they'd jump in and try to save someone's life IS in fact just talking out of their ass to try and look cool, it doesn't mean everyone is some big teddy bear who wouldn't do anything to help someone else if it meant putting their own life in danger, and it sure as HELL doesn't mean that that person is "insane" for going against some incredibly primal instinct as if humans are just animals that have no real control over how they behave in situations of danger.

But, again, Mmochampion forums.