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  1. #121
    How funny that every post the OP makes makes it more and more apparent that he is just too cool for everyone else. I bet the girls love when you tell them you have aced heroic DS. Stop caring what other people have done or are doing. Because I assure you, they don't care about your 496 and 504 gear. In short, take a piece of advice, it is none of your business. Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gehco View Post
    Well, then you didn't scout out that person correctly, but you need to keep open for other players to evolve. And well, maybe he/she/it felt like the content has been completed for he/she/it. Even a PvP can tell a Heroic raider that he didn't complete the content as he hasn't done enough PvP (still content).

    But gear is helping you to build a chance, no matter what people think. Most guilds would rather have an LFR geared person on trial for raids than a rare geared. You cannot deny the progress needs "stairs", LFR is another step on the stair, just like normal is.

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    But, that's wrong too. Still alot of content. Factions, Player Versus Player and achievements - heck, even lore as well as roleplay.
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    dont see Dream-Paragon ranked as the top world PVP guild. end of discussion

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    I never understand why some determine the small population of players who actually do end game raiding are the only ones entitled to gear, mounts, cheves, ect. Casual players are the majority and majority rules. You wont ever see LFR as anything other than a easy way for busy people to get gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RocketArmz View Post
    I'm new and I'm going to get flamed for this I'm sure, but I run LFR because I'm deaf. I don't get to hop on vent and run around while people yell at each other about staying in the fire. So there's a penalty for players like me in the highest of raiding, but the penalty for my deafness is blunted by gimped boss mechanics (these mechanics are tuned for groups who can freely communicate--- most often verbally, because nobody can type that fast and mash ability buttons).

    So yeah I get some gear for my toons that I otherwise wouldn't get because no "hardcore" raid group would let a deaf player into the raid since I can't hop on vent. Well I can hop on vent, but I can't hear ya anyways.

    I've made some friends through wow that have other types of disabilities and it's a nice retreat from some of the crap we deal with everyday in real life (I'm sure many players of all abilities can relate to this). So go ahead and flame away and tell me that I'm not as good as of a player because at the end of the day no matter how loud you're yelling at me... I can't hear ya.
    we had a deaf player during wrath. he eventually cleared the normal mode content with us.

    some very advanced players play with no sound on at all.
    yes, it was frustrating to not get yelled back at when he stood in stuff, but no it is not impossible and you should not let your handicap limit you to LFR.

  5. #125
    Use your head...

    Why the hell would anyone want to waste their time doing it if they get nothing out of it --- do you think people right now do LFR when they've already got themself saved downing all bosses already? No? Yeah, I wonder why...

    The benefit of LFR is you don't have to commit yourself to a guild, raiding at set times...
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    Quote Originally Posted by judgementofantonidas View Post
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    dont see Dream-Paragon ranked as the top world PVP guild. end of discussion
    you are being incredibly closed-minded for someone who claimed 2 pages ago that other people weren't using solid facts or opinions.

    http://www.arenajunkies.com/rankings/2v2/
    http://www.arenajunkies.com/rankings/3v3/
    http://www.arenajunkies.com/rankings/5v5/
    http://www.arenajunkies.com/rankings/guild/
    http://www.arenajunkies.com/rankings/battleground/
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    Quote Originally Posted by RocketArmz View Post
    --snip--
    That was honestly a good read. Yeah, you're kind of screwed with any guild that doesn't specifically want to tailor to your specific situation. The only thing I think you could consistently do in total silence is tank. (If on two-tank fights the other tank macro'd some default /whisper statements. "Taunt!" "Trade with me!" "Get adds!" etc.) That's one of the reasons I love the mini-map ping when I can't be heard in vent because people are talking or my voice is drowned out.
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    The unstated premise of the OP is that LFR isn't raiding and therefore isn't worthy of having any reward. Quite apart from the nonsense idea that loot would ever be removed from LFR, the premise doesn't bear any relationship to the reality as defined by Blizzard. Blizzard considers it entry-level raiding, provides what they perceive to be appropriate rewards for success, and most importantly for them, it's been good business for their game. At this point in time Osmeric's observation that removing normal/heroic modes would cause less of a stir has some validity.

    So I don't understand the point of the thread to be perfectly honest because none of this is even the least bit likely.

    I'll conclude with what I always say in threads like this: LFR is here, it's not going away, and Blizzard isn't about to do anything to cripple its popularity. Get used to that fact and look for other ways to 'improve' the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hodenkrieg View Post
    again. you are posting just to be arguementative and basing your findings on a narrow segement of the population. there are not mmo-champion articles with interviews of the guild that beat up this other guild on a weekly basis. it just isn't the main goal of the game. The main goal of the game is defeating the particular bad guy of each expansion. or else the staring player on the front of every world of warcraft based fan site would be predominantly the unimportant things you just posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWindWalker View Post
    That was honestly a good read. Yeah, you're kind of screwed with any guild that doesn't specifically want to tailor to your specific situation. The only thing I think you could consistently do in total silence is tank. (If on two-tank fights the other tank macro'd some default /whisper statements. "Taunt!" "Trade with me!" "Get adds!" etc.) That's one of the reasons I love the mini-map ping when I can't be heard in vent because people are talking or my voice is drowned out.
    dbm is quite clear with visual as well AS WELL AS audio ques for when things need to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gehco View Post
    But by removing the gear from LFR, you will be strangling the raiding community and stopping it from growing. One need the best gear one can get to be considered joining normals now a days. I mean, if gear was to be removed, then the amount of raiders will fall due to people find something else than raids and such. You need the LFR gear so you have a chance of becoming a real raider.

    And now main question? Why would you care about LFR gear when normal/HC gear is better?

    Looking for raid devalues real raiders effort, be it the 2-3 weeks normal raider that will just clear normal modes, and never try hard-modes, or the Semi/hardcore 4-5 days a week hard-mode raider. LFR gives to much for what you put into it. Not only do you see the content, witch is a huge thing (MMO's should be about the journey, scenery and exploring to) if you ask me, but you also get really easy gear thats actually very good for no work.


    Edit: But maybe I think like this cause inn TBC I didn't raid to much, yet I was still happy with what content I got to see. The journey, not the end. Many people were happy with what you had inn TBC. LFR makes a generation of bad raiders, and forces likely good raiders, and great raiders to do something they dont even want to.
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    One reason for WoW decline I often hear is that its an old game and naturally people get bored with it. But TV is much older and people still watch that. Surely if a thing you once enjoyed keept staying fun, you would still use it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drakzlol View Post
    But won't the people running LFR see that they get to see content, then prepare to raid normals. I don't say to join a hardcore guild and go pro 5 times a week, maybe a casual guild raiding 1-2 days per week clearing normal modes and progress at their own pace?

    People should be inspired to move beyond LFR.
    Yah I don't think I can agree with you.
    For me, I lfr mostly, due to growing up a bit, having a bit of a life, some commitments, like a job, child, missus...you know, all that shit that happens right outside your apartment door that I'm starting to think you've not realized yet in life....

    Yup, I'm a 'casual' player now. Not in spirit, but in time constraints and ability to commit to late night raids.
    It's not easy to find 9 others who can match my time frame to play.
    And as for the inspired part?
    lmfao, hey bub, we did hc 25's from tbc through to firelands. I think it's ok to grow up, have a life, and still play some wow and get some not as awesome gears as you get in normals and hc's.
    I thought that when I was doing HC's, and if you don't, it sort of screams snowflake-butthurt-sandwich, with a side of real raiders have timestamps, and timestamps are enough.

    The best part? I'd bet my account you have gone to LFR, and had hope and wish that gear would drop for you, and I bet you even cheered if it did, and cursed your luck when it didn't.
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    LFR directly benefits "real" raiders. You know all those heroics you do to cap VP? Imagine how much worse those would be without people in LFR gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by judgementofantonidas View Post
    again. you are posting just to be arguementative and basing your findings on a narrow segement of the population. there are not mmo-champion articles with interviews of the guild that beat up this other guild on a weekly basis. it just isn't the main goal of the game. The main goal of the game is defeating the particular bad guy of each expansion. or else the staring player on the front of every world of warcraft based fan site would be predominantly the unimportant things you just posted.
    and sadly once again you are making the assumption that your opinion is the only one that matters.

    While WoWProgress or MMO-Champion may be very popular sites, the point of the game is still subjective to the person you speak with. Just because you can link to a site that ranks guilds based on PVE content cleared, does not nullify a second site that ranks guilds based on PvP rank acquired.

    There is more to WoW than what you find valid.
    What you find to be the purpose of the game does not mean everyone who does what you think is wrong is walking into a wall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hodenkrieg View Post
    and sadly once again you are making the assumption that your opinion is the only one that matters.

    While WoWProgress or MMO-Champion may be very popular sites, the point of the game is still subjective to the person you speak with. Just because you can link to a site that ranks guilds based on PVE content cleared, does not nullify a second site that ranks guilds based on PvP rank acquired.

    There is more to WoW than what you find valid.
    What you find to be the purpose of the game does not mean everyone who does what you think is wrong is walking into a wall.
    /thread

    I agree completely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightelfsb View Post
    Looking for raid devalues real raiders effort
    LFR is the only reason they're allowing normal mode raids to be as difficult as they currently are. If you like current normal/heroic raid tuning, get down on your knees and grovel in humble thankfulness that LFR was included.

    And pray that enough people actually want to do normal/heroic raids at the current difficulty level to justify their inclusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KWC3587 View Post
    How about we expand the experiment and remove loot from all three and see how many hardcores stick around. After all they're in it for the challenge and not the loot.
    People like myself doing heroic modes need the gear. Some fights are not possible without a certain ilevel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgementofantonidas View Post
    and on another asside. we run multiple groups for all skill levels in my guild. yes, even people who cannot tell right from left with colored shoe laces. The progression group now takes one player from guild and clears MSV with them weekly our first day of raiding taking roughly two hours. so the statements about not having time to be in a dedicated raiding guild really tend to fall on deaf ears with me considering if our players are patient, support the guild in THIER way, they get to COMPLETE the content in THIER alloted time span. This is much more than they would accomplish in a solo, these have been my friends forever, or I don't have the time capacity.
    Its not time. I easily play enough to be raiding 2/3 nights a week. Its desire. I don't want to schedule my time (ie Thursday at 10) around a video game. I like to queue up when I have time, run a dungeon or lfr and then bail. Don't want to be at the same boss for hours just because it's boring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drakzlol View Post
    Not intenting to cockblock anyone. I'm just simply asking, would you still do LFR if loot were removed?

    I don't know why everyone suddenly goes super defensive for just a simple question. Did I yank your chains or what?
    There is loot in 5 mans. I still don't run them. I admit Blizzard should make an official adjustment to what they said. "Yes. LFraid is also for the loot."

    Now consider this: NORMAL raids are made to be completed in ilv 463 blues from heroics. LFRaid drops mostly ilv 476 gear. Valor gear is ilv 489 and 496. You know what? except for a weapon, i getter better gear at VP vendors..might take longer but there it is. So tell me again that everyone runs LFraid EXCLUSIVELY for the loot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightelfsb View Post
    Looking for raid devalues real raiders effort, be it the 2-3 weeks normal raider that will just clear normal modes, and never try hard-modes, or the Semi/hardcore 4-5 days a week hard-mode raider. LFR gives to much for what you put into it. Not only do you see the content, witch is a huge thing (MMO's should be about the journey, scenery and exploring to) if you ask me, but you also get really easy gear thats actually very good for no work.


    Edit: But maybe I think like this cause inn TBC I didn't raid to much, yet I was still happy with what content I got to see. The journey, not the end. Many people were happy with what you had inn TBC. LFR makes a generation of bad raiders, and forces likely good raiders, and great raiders to do something they dont even want to.
    Sounds like you are trying to portray an elitist raider who is very jealous of the casual player. Anyone who has ever raided knows you have to put in triple the effort or more to get the tiny item level upgrades that sets hardcore endgame raiders apart from the casual players. Your signature displays a character with a lower item level than 6 of my alts..(I am the Queen of casual players as I retired from hardcore raiding years ago). You should update your sig or have a real raider do your posting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badee View Post
    Sounds like you are trying to portray an elitist raider who is very jealous of the casual player. Anyone who has ever raided knows you have to put in triple the effort or more to get the tiny item level upgrades that sets hardcore endgame raiders apart from the casual players. Your signature displays a character with a lower item level than 6 of my alts..(I am the Queen of casual players as I retired from hardcore raiding years ago). You should update your sig or have a real raider do your posting
    His sig doesn't link anywhere?

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