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  1. #421
    Quote Originally Posted by Deleth View Post
    Could you guys stop being hypocrites? That'd be nice, altough I doubt it. The whole time you're going on about how neither Aethas nor any kind of other Sunreaver can be held responsible for their own or the actions of their subordinants. But in Jaina's case that's suddenly not the case anymore?
    Aethas can't hold every Sunreaver's hand and wipe their ass at all times. The Sunreavers are a fairly large organization. In Dalaran there are tons of people, magi and non-magi, who are not part of the Kirin Tor. That includes Sunreavers. Most Sunreavers are not in the Kirin Tor. Of the Sunreavers in the Kirin Tor, only a few helped Garrosh.

    Jaina was in direct supervision of Vereesa's actions, making her directly responsible. Jaina also put Vereesa in charge, knowing full well her prejudice against the Sunreavers.

    EDIT: I was pointing out the hypocrisy of people holding Aethas responsible for the Bell, but not Jaina for Vereesa's persecution of the Blood Elves.
    Last edited by Aquamonkey; 2012-12-31 at 12:14 PM.
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  2. #422
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deleth View Post
    No, just no, no on so many levels that it's not even remotely close to an yes no matter what you do. First of all the Sunreavers are a fairly NEW organization named after Aethas SUNREAVER. They're not an integral part of Dalaran, they sought to become one and their recent actions show that they shouldn't be.

    Shifting the blame isn't going to help you in any kind of way. Is the Spanish Government responsible for the founding and crimes of the ETA? No they're not. The only ones responsible for their actions are the Sunreaver themselves. All those who're supportive of the Sunreavers or even members share a part of their guilt. This is not a religion, ethnic or any other but a faction thing. If you join a group voluntarily because you support their goals and ethics then you are part of them and thus responsible for their actions.

    The Sunreavers were members of the Kirin Tor themselves, you can't dispute that, no matter what you say the sunreavers were part of the kirin tor , not a militia, not some terrorist organization, they were all Kirin Tor. Jaina says that herself! I am not arguing that they are innocent it would be quite foolish to do so, but many of them are and punishing them because of what some of their members did is morally wrong. Though it was the necessary thing to do and the rest of the council is just as responsible as Aethas, the sunreavers were there subjects as well.


    Would you blame the Allies for the crimes the Nazis commited? No you wouldn't. Neither would you absolve people who joined the Nazi party of their guilt for doing so.
    If the Allies had been part of the Nazi Government ,yes I would have, the sunreavers were Kirin Tor and part of Dalaran.
    Not to mention the people who joined the nazi party and didn't commit any crime went absolutely free, without any form of punishment.
    Last edited by Combatbulter; 2012-12-31 at 12:05 PM.
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  3. #423
    I just did the alliance-quest myself (Taking my time with the reps instead of spamming dailies, burning out and then going "ZOMG I HATE DAILIES!!!" on forums :P ), and from my point of view there is little evil stuff going on, Jaina kills Aethas' personal guard, she comes in and they're in battle stance, must have been expecting a fight, why would innocent people expect a fight at that exact time?

    Then purging the city, Jaina goes in circles along the main street, teleporting people (Presumably to violet hold to sort good from soon-dead), not killing them outright, the quest doesn't require killing of panicked people in the streets, the only people you end up killing are people who are looking for a fight (The sunreavers have a way cooler inn BTW, HORDE BIAS!!! :P ), the vendors are pretty clear about their intentions, as is the banker...

  4. #424
    Quote Originally Posted by mysticx View Post
    I just did the alliance-quest myself (Taking my time with the reps instead of spamming dailies, burning out and then going "ZOMG I HATE DAILIES!!!" on forums :P ), and from my point of view there is little evil stuff going on, Jaina kills Aethas' personal guard, she comes in and they're in battle stance, must have been expecting a fight, why would innocent people expect a fight at that exact time?
    And yet, they take no offensive or defensive actions when she starts killing them 1 by 1.
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  5. #425
    Quote Originally Posted by Zephre View Post
    All this was terrible writing on Blizzards part tbh.

    First she gives some speech about peace in Dalaran
    Second she wards Darnassus thus helping the Alliance.
    Third she throws a hissy fit when the sunreavers help the horde.
    Don´t forget that she already has whole company of Stormwind soldiers in Dalaran when she starts her purge. You see that in the Horde quests there. Totally neutral.
    And, by the way, what do the silver covenant need so many assassins for? When i had to rescue the Magisters there were dozens of assassins swarming the area.

  6. #426
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    And yet, they take no offensive or defensive actions when she starts killing them 1 by 1.
    Well uh... Ok, good point (Note: i said i saw "little evil" ^_~ ), maybe they made weird faces at her (WoW's graphics engine isn't very good at those details :P ), Jaina is obviously wandering down the "She crazy, bro!"-path, following the droves of other characters that went there, i feel it's rather cheesy writing really that it takes going crazy for an alliance-member to do something back (Without hours-long lectures about unity and personal growth, anyway), but for now i'm enjoying the victories while they last...

  7. #427
    I love the insecurity of Alliance players.
    Your comments are duly noted and ignored.
    I punch a hobo every time someone says 'it's not a rotation it's a priority list lol'.

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