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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamdwelf View Post
    Then why denote it as black music?
    It's a celebration of the culture that created it and giving credit where credit is due. It's just like when we say "British Punk" or "Europop."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamdwelf View Post
    Then why denote it as black music?
    Because it's preferable to other, more colorful, terms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reeve View Post
    It's a celebration of the culture that created it and giving credit where credit is due. It's just like when we say "British Punk" or "Europop."
    no its like saying white music to incorporate both europop and british punk and any other music started by white people no matter the genre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TradewindNQ View Post
    Because it's preferable to other, more colorful, terms.
    its preferable to jazz, dubstep, rock and roll which actually kinda mean something, and do not have racial terms involved?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reeve View Post
    It's a celebration of the culture that created it and giving credit where credit is due. It's just like when we say "British Punk" or "Europop."
    Or Italodisco.

    Italodisco is probably one of the main reasons why Italians are fucking awesome.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gamdwelf View Post
    no its like saying white music to incorporate both europop and british punk and any other music started by white people no matter the genre.
    You're free to call it that way. I'm still not offended if Justin Bieber is white music, I simply don't see it as anything to get pissy about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomatketchup View Post
    Or Italodisco.

    Italodisco is probably one of the main reasons why Italians are fucking awesome.
    no thats just white music, its made by white people so its white music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamdwelf View Post
    no thats just white music, its made by white people so its white music.
    and music made by black people is black music...

    As a "white kid" I never actually identified with shit like Rap and Hip Hop music...why? Because the subject matter generally had nothing to do with stuff a typical white kid even cares about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamdwelf View Post
    how is that black music?

    That's like saying white music to refer to rock and roll.
    Actually... rock and roll has history in black music so that won't work so well.

    We can't even say trance, techno, club, dance, are white genres because they have roots that start in house music, which is very urban and yet again has roots in black music.

    It's no different from "Euro dance"

    Blacks had x music that was in the black community that spread and influenced other communities. Why is this so difficult?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamdwelf View Post
    Then why denote it as black music?
    Because it is a way to point to the origins of the music style. Do you think the word black is a racist word?

    African-American music is an umbrella term covering a diverse range of musics and musical genres largely developed by black Americans. Jazz, blues, gospel, and soul constitute the principal modern genres of African-American music. Their origins are in musical forms that arose out of the historical condition of involuntary servitude that characterized the lives of black Americans prior to the American Civil War. The modern genres were developed during the late nineteenth century by fusing European musical styles (characterized by diatonic harmony within the framework of equal temperament) with those of African origin which employed the natural harmonic series.

    Following the Civil War, black Americans, through employment as musicians playing European music in military bands developed new musical styles such as ragtime and what would become known as jazz. In developing this latter musical form, African Americans contributed knowledge of the sophisticated polyrhythmic structure of the dance and folk music of peoples across western and sub-Saharan Africa. Together, these musical forms had a wide-ranging and profound influence over the development of music within the United States and around the world during the twentieth century.

    The earliest jazz and blues recordings were made in the 1920s. Later periods saw considerable innovation and change. African-American genres have been highly influential across socio-economic and racial groupings internationally, and have enjoyed popularity on a global level. African-American music and all aspects of African-American culture are celebrated during Black History Month in February of each year in the United States.

    As well as bringing harmonic and rhythmic features from Western and Sub-Saharan Africa into European musical styles, it was the historical condition of chattel slavery experienced by black Americans within American society that contributed the conditions which would define their music. Many of the characteristic musical forms that define African-American music have historical precedents. These earlier forms include:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackmoves View Post
    Because it is a way to point to the origins of the music style. Do you think the word black is a racist word?
    ok then do you use the term white music to describe all musics started by white people? or Yellow music to describe all music started by asians, or brown music to describe all musics started by either hispanic people or middle eastern people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamdwelf View Post
    ok then do you use the term white music to describe all musics started by white people? or Yellow music to describe all music started by asians, or brown music to describe all musics started by either hispanic people or middle eastern people?
    sure why not, except it's easier to say Asian Music, or Mexican Music...people call it "Black Music" because it's made by Black people. What's the issue there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamdwelf View Post
    ok then do you use the term white music to describe all musics started by white people? or Yellow music to describe all music started by asians, or brown music to describe all musics started by either hispanic people or middle eastern people?
    No, I use words such as Arabic inspired music, or Latin etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamdwelf View Post
    ok then do you use the term white music to describe all musics started by white people? or Yellow music to describe all music started by asians, or brown music to describe all musics started by either hispanic people or middle eastern people?
    No, although I do indeed call hispanic, italian and latin-american music "Latin music". Because it's a term to describe the given thing. Just like "months" comprises January, February, March, April,..., Black music comprises jazz, funky, blues,...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TradewindNQ View Post
    sure why not, except it's easier to say Asian Music, or Mexican Music...people call it "Black Music" because it's made by Black people. What's the issue there?
    Since when is skrillex black or elvis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uzi View Post
    No, although I do indeed call hispanic, italian and latin-american music "Latin music". Because it's a term to describe the given thing. Just like "months" comprises January, February, March, April,..., Black music comprises jazz, funky, blues,...
    Months are all relatively similar while jazzz funk blues, dubstep and rock & roll are quite a bit different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamdwelf View Post
    Since when is skrillex black or elvis?
    When was it exclusive? Eminem isn't Black either, though I consider his particular genre to be Black Music as well...

    Who exactly is stereotyping now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamdwelf View Post
    Since when is skrillex black or elvis?

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    Months are all relatively similar while jazzz funk blues, dubstep and rock & roll are quite a bit different.
    I don't see what's your problem, how can it be racist if you call something black music, as it's not hate on a race, vice versa it just promotes that race and shows they've done something good and noticeable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamdwelf View Post
    Then why denote it as black music?
    In most cases, people use the phrase as an homage to the cultural origins that began that genre. Various types of modern music was born out black communities in the americas, from jazz to rock and roll (which have since transcended their racial origins) to some things that are inherently and exclusively "black music" like Gullah shout rings.

    You might argue the racial reference is unnecessary but an extraneous label does not automatically mean racist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TradewindNQ View Post
    When was it exclusive? Eminem isn't Black either, though I consider his particular genre to be Black Music as well...

    Who exactly is stereotyping now?
    you said black music is made by black people, elvis and skrillex are not black yet they make black music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamdwelf View Post
    Since when is skrillex black or elvis?

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    Months are all relatively similar while jazzz funk blues, dubstep and rock & roll are quite a bit different.
    Settle down dude you've derailed the thread and no matter what you or the other guys say is going to convince the other side that they are right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamdwelf View Post
    you said black music is made by black people, elvis and skrillex are not black yet they make black music.
    no I said, music made by black people is black music :P looks like a similar statement, but it's not. Black People make Black Music, but not all Black Music is made by Black people. I guess a "usually" would be appropriate in there. Also not sure why it's being taken as a negative...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tziva View Post
    In most cases, people use the phrase as an homage to the cultural origins that began that genre. Various types of modern music was born out black communities in the americas, from jazz to rock and roll (which have since transcended their racial origins) to some things that are inherently and exclusively "black music" like Gullah shout rings.

    You might argue the racial reference is unnecessary but an extraneous label does not automatically mean racist.
    I mean its not inherently racist by it self but separating or signifying based on race isn't usually a good thing. I mean why not put yellow stars on Jews so people know they are Jews, same kinda concept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TradewindNQ View Post
    no I said, music made by black people is black music :P looks like a similar statement, but it's not. Black People make Black Music, but not all Black Music is made by Black people. I guess a "usually" would be appropriate in there. Also not sure why it's being taken as a negative...
    so if a black person plays polka is it now black music?

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