Pretty good stuff.
Although it seems we're back to the Lich King "I could kill you... but instead I'll make a flimsy excuse to just ride away!" stuff, which sort of flattens the threat a bit.
He who sees his own doom can better avoid its path. He who sees the doom of others can deliver it.
steal the focusing iris and hide it so that she can use it later. That seems kinda off kilter. She has a nuke that she chose not to tell anybody about. She is jumping to the most violent conclusions herself. It seems like Jaina probably got a little of the bad guy brush applied to her.
I'm just saying it would be hilarious to fight Jaina as a raid boss also. Like maybe you are raiding Orgrimmar and she decides she isn't happy with the way things are being done and starts going aggro. Then the raid has to attack her. The way she is jumping off all half cocked all the time now feels like something has to give.
while i doubt it would be a major city i just suspect it will end up being a quest point and putting it back as a matter of lore possibly with a portal to and from somewhere.
Don't get me wrong, Vol'jin has a lot of potential. I don't personally like Baine or his decisions very much, but he can be salvaged. But the Horde needs more than a slap on the wrist here. The Orcs need to be beaten down and shamed in an attempt to tone down the "conquest" and "pillage" aspects of their culture. The Tauren and Trolls wind up getting dragged through the mud because of prominent issues with the Orcs.
Personally, I want the Horde to grow into a true pragmatic faction with both light and dark grey elements. It's not fun knowing that you're sitting on ticking time bombs of unambiguous chaos like Garrosh and Sylvanas, knowing there's nothing you can do about things but realizing that eventually you're going to be stuck holding the idiot ball again while the faction you enjoy is once again out of control. It's not like anyone can even say "Oh my, I'm -so- surprised!" at this point, because just about anyone looking at the story can wince and expect that eventually another prominent element of the Horde is going to go rogue and make everyone look bad.
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I don't think they'll go down that path simply based on the fact that it looks like both factions are somehow "teaming up" to kill Garrosh in the end...at least I hope they won't go down that path. I'm not a roleplayer but I do still like my characters to have some semblance of morality.
Epic... Now Saurfang got smt to do with garrosh finally :P i rly want to see Saurfang going against garrosh aside with sylvanas and vol'jin!
Sylvanas for for warchief!
And now, it seems as if that realization was ignored in favor of a revamp of her thoughts on it, yet from a lore reader's pov, it makes her look like she's bouncing back and forth between feelings like a yoyo.
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And Sylvanas for the Warchief... I guess even with all the dislike I have to Alliance I would faction swap in that moment. Even into a gnome.
There is zero reason to believe that the Alliance would realistically blame only Garrosh when his policies are widely supported by the majority of the Horde. It seems that the only time the majority of the Horde will turn on Garrosh is when those same policies start having negative effects on Horde society. "I was just following orders" cannot and should not placate those harmed by any military or political force.
However, it seems like the other Horde races leaders have long been starting to turn away from him. Aethas Sunreaver made a huge mistake in allowing Garrosh to move forces through Dalaran, obviously. However, Theron, Baine and Vol'Jin all can't stand Garrosh and what he's done. I don't really think Sylvanas counts either seeing as her and the undead seem to have their own agenda and it's not based on blind Alliance hate.
At this point I'd almost compare it to a mutiny though. They'll all listen to the ship's captain and follow his orders until they both believe that they have the support to stand against him and that he does something so severe that they simply cannot morally justify letting it occur.
infact at the point that this happens the big guy over at silvermoon is actually negotiating with varian to bring silvermoon back in to the alliance.. as he belives garroshes horde is the same path kael lead his people down. and the sunreavers (those that were truely loyal to dal) now effectivly blame garrosh and nd Jaina for their exile from dal and this pretty much has set the stage for all over silvermoon to be aginst garrosh, and will of course these events will keep silvermoon out of the alliance.
as, as things play out the horde was energized by garrosh originally. orc. tauren troll, so on (mostly the younger) who saw him as a war hero. course we know this. but while there are some that deftly loyal to garrosh.more and more become displeased. however since garrosh has his own personal assasin blowing up inns its hard to not do anything but follow orders till the time is right.
And ousting the Sunreavers from Dalaran isn't genocide, in fact seeing how they helped me mount an attack on Darnassus she's justified.
sure the forsaken tend to be pretty rotten especially as of late. but they arnt going to take garrosh throwing them under the bus. which he will find a way...
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