Mage equivalent to class-specific websites?

[bcc]

Now that Elitistjerks seems to have lost its umph, I can't seem to find a website that focuses on Mage theorycraft/discussion. Priests have shadowpriest.com, shamans have totemspot, and I'm sure there are many more I don't know about.

Would a kind soul please point me in the right direction? Thanks :]

[Deleted]

To be fair I don't know any up to date websites either. Even simcraft is completely fucked for arcane and actually shows haste the highest stat value which is obviously wrong due to simcraft giving arcane a terrible rotation which includes barrage.

I suppose everyone just hates mages nowadays and nobody wants to talk about them

[Polarthief]

To be fair I don't know any up to date websites either. Even simcraft is completely fucked for arcane and actually shows haste the highest stat value which is obviously wrong due to simcraft giving arcane a terrible rotation which includes barrage.

I suppose everyone just hates mages nowadays and nobody wants to talk about them

Which I don't get. We're by far the most clunky and boring class and we've been nerfed to all hell in PvP, Fire's been heavily PvE nerfed, and Arcane was always crap this expansion (immobile specc in a mobile tier. YEAH THAT WORKS).

If anything, we should be given some sympathy like those stinky shamans :P

[scuac]

To be fair I don't know any up to date websites either. Even simcraft is completely fucked for arcane and actually shows haste the highest stat value which is obviously wrong due to simcraft giving arcane a terrible rotation which includes barrage.

I suppose everyone just hates mages nowadays and nobody wants to talk about them

I heard in a podcast a few days ago (converttoraid) that the mages in top EU guilds switched to Arcane and are stacking haste over mastery. They are using an unusual rotation that use Scorch weaving and their dps is through the roof. May want to look into that.

[Imnick]

Yeah, Arcane's far from useless in this tier now that they've reduced the mana cost of AB. Give it a try!
Arcane's 2nd and 3rd highest DPS on Sha 25N which is far from a momvement free-fight, and 3rd on Lei Shi.

[Deleted]

Even simcraft is completely fucked for arcane and actually shows haste the highest stat value which is obviously wrong

Haste is currently a strong stat for Arcane, sometimes being stronger than Mastery. Preconceptions about the spec are exactly that.

We're by far the most clunky and boring class and we've been nerfed to all hell in PvP, Fire's been heavily PvE nerfed, and Arcane was always crap this expansion (immobile specc in a mobile tier. YEAH THAT WORKS).

Yet Mages will still always have a place in PvP (albeit as Frost) due to their burst potential, strong CC and strong survivability. PvP Frost performs fine, anyway.

Also, yes, Arcane must be crap this expansion, that's why it's currently the FotM Mage spec.

It's people like you who take a completely fine CLASS and whine about it to kingdom come despite the fact that Mages as a whole are in a good place that gives mages a bad name as qq queens.

OT: The best place for Mage discussion is probably in the guides for each of the 3 specs which are stickied at the top of this forum. Sadly we don't have a dedicated site

[Soullord]

Elitist jerks mage forums (link removed due to low post count)

Icy-veins mage forums (link removed due to low post count)

[Imnick]

Frankly and despite the frequent bickering, I think MMO Champion's mage forums provide better information than either of those places, and you are already there.

[chrisnumbers]

I think MMO Champion's mage forums provide better information than either of those places

As Mages go, I've gotten all of my MoP information from MMO. I went to EJ maybe twice at the beginning and I didn't find a single useful thing. Icy Veins had a BiS list for a second, but that was before HoF came out, and it hasn't been updated.

[Soullord]

you could also use ask mr robot for upgrades and the bis list if that's what you are after.

[voltaa]

immobile specc in a mobile tier. YEAH THAT WORKS

All of my wat, I haven't moved more than ten feet this entire tier, smarter movement, not more.

OT: We do have some pretty good discussion right here in the mage guides, I know I have been spending a lot of time in the arcane guide discussing the ins and outs with a couple others who have posted on this thread (who are pretty good at dealing numbers) and it seems to be the best source for information and discussion at this point.

[MrExcelion]

Pretty much I use MMO-C and the US forums too. I wish we did have a hardcore theorycrafting site of some sort, as the WoW ones tend to be filled with PVP and QQ threads. MMO-C is still great, but we don't receive enough traffic on the Mage board, or people don't feel like posting, I'm not sure. The other class boards here receive more postings. The Warlock one was obviously helped by having an actual Blizzard dev posting there.

[Akraen]

I've been trying to initiate discussion with bad numbers, hoping someone would help make the numbers right, at least for frost.

Instead everyone harps on the obvious. I'd love to see the mage community get better. I'm really going to try to push for a better atmosphere on these forums in the next few months.

[Muliercula]

I like the mage forum here on MMO-C., and you wont get hit by the Banhammer here (unlike EJ) for asking "stupid" questions

[Jimm3]

Frankly and despite the frequent bickering, I think MMO Champion's mage forums provide better information than either of those places, and you are already there.

i think this is the most proper answer to op question

[Kiry]

This is probably the most active mage forums out there that I"ve seen yet. In addition, we actually are able to have a dialogue here. You just have to look past the bickering OR the other classes that pop in to say "nerf mages" or "you guys need to stop QQing".

[Agrias-Oaks]

All of my wat, I haven't moved more than ten feet this entire tier, smarter movement, not more.

Do you have your raid conveniently stack on you for every unseen strike, and you never got 2 tornados in your face? Do you not have to move for attenuation? Do you keep getting the same sunbeams on tsulong? etc etc.

[Aquamonkey]

To be fair I don't know any up to date websites either. Even simcraft is completely fucked for arcane and actually shows haste the highest stat value which is obviously wrong due to simcraft giving arcane a terrible rotation which includes barrage.

I suppose everyone just hates mages nowadays and nobody wants to talk about them

Use this action list for 6-charge camping.

Based on my simulation, 6-charge camping is about 1500DPS higher than the clear-stack rotation. (T14N Bis preset)

#!./simc  

mage="Mage_Arcane_T14N"
origin="unknown"
level=90
race=night_elf
spec=arcane
role=spell
position=back
talents=   (link not allow to post)
glyphs=evocation/mana_gem/slow/mirror_image

actions.precombat=flask,type=warm_sun
actions.precombat+=/food,type=mogu_fish_stew
actions.precombat+=/arcane_brilliance
actions.precombat+=/mage_armor
actions.precombat+=/snapshot_stats
actions.precombat+=/rune_of_power
actions.precombat+=/jade_serpent_potion

actions=counterspell,if=target.debuff.casting.react
actions+=/cancel_buff,name=alter_time,moving=1
actions+=/conjure_mana_gem,if=mana_gem_charges<3&target.debuff.invulnerable.react
actions+=/time_warp,if=target.health.pct<25|time>5
actions+=/arcane_power,if=target.time_to_die<18
actions+=/alter_time,if=buff.alter_time.down&buff.arcane_power.up&buff.arcane_missiles.stack=2&buff.arcane_charge.stack>4&buff.rune_of_power.remains>6,moving=0
actions+=/arcane_missiles,if=buff.alter_time.up|buff.arcane_missiles.stack=2
actions+=/arcane_barrage,if=buff.alter_time.up&buff.alter_time.remains<2&buff.arcane_charge.up
actions+=/arcane_blast,if=buff.alter_time.up
actions+=/rune_of_power,if=buff.rune_of_power.down&buff.alter_time.down
actions+=/jade_serpent_potion,if=buff.arcane_power.up|target.time_to_die<=50
actions+=/mana_gem,if=mana.pct<84&buff.alter_time.down
actions+=/mirror_image
actions+=/arcane_power,if=buff.rune_of_power.remains>15&buff.alter_time.down&buff.arcane_charge.stack>1  
actions+=/living_bomb,if=!ticking|remains<tick_time
actions+=/arcane_missiles,if=buff.arcane_missiles.stack=2&(cooldown.alter_time_activate.remains>4|target.time_to_die<10)
actions+=/arcane_blast,if=mana.pct>92
actions+=/arcane_missiles,if=buff.arcane_missiles.react&(cooldown.alter_time_activate.remains>4|target.time_to_die<10)
actions+=/arcane_blast,if=buff.arcane_charge.remains<4
actions+=/scorch,if=buff.arcane_charge.up&buff.arcane_power.down&buff.alter_time.down&target.time_to_die>25&(cooldown.mana_gem.remains>10|mana_gem_charges=0)
actions+=/arcane_blast
actions+=/scorch,moving=1
actions+=/fire_blast,moving=1
actions+=/ice_lance,moving=1

[zomgDPS]

The greater mage tc community has died, mainly due to some key members who were holding it up for so long having left with MoP.

That being said, some of them are still active, but in a limited way. They post over at the MTC forums, though they are by invite only and not public, so I'm not sure

[voltaa]

Do you have your raid conveniently stack on you for every unseen strike, and you never got 2 tornados in your face? Do you not have to move for attenuation? Do you keep getting the same sunbeams on tsulong? etc etc.

For normal modes, that is exactly what I do, I don't bother resetting on tsulong, I take attenuation to the face etc.

As for mechanics such as unseen strike, yes, I will move in for that and your 90 talent shouldn't stop you from doing that either way, blink in, get cleaved, land within 10 feet of your rune.

(also as a side note, you can dodge attenuation perfectly fine while never leaving your rune, I've done it)