Last edited by Dreknar20; 2012-12-13 at 10:36 PM.
We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"
Then there's every other zone....
Garrosh is not the scapegoat for everything.
The Forsaken went out of their way to systematically kill everybody they could and use necromancy upon those they could, while enslaving those that didn't fight back if they didn't feel like killing them that day. These actions are the worse of the Forsaken's actions and were absolutely not what Garrosh ordered so there is no scape goating them.
Also your first part is wrong. It has been the Forsaken attacking Human land, not the other way around.
What is horde?
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don't hurt me,
no more.
http://www.wowpedia.org/Quest:At_Our_Doorstep
They want the Scythe. In other words Sylvanas wanted to use it against Humanity to turn them into Worgen to cause in-fighting (ofc she didn't know the Night Elves and Gilneas had conquered the curse).
The Horde exists because without banding together, each race would not be able to fend for themselves against a xenophobic Alliance. Much like the Regent Lord of Quel'Thalas once said: The Horde exists -because- of the Alliance.
we may diasgree on things from time to time, but i feel like it could very well be possible that jaina becomes the antagonist after garrosh is dethroned/killed/redeemed whatever it may be. i dont feel like there could ever truly be a peace in world of warcraft and in that belief i feel there needs to be a catalyst that spurns one side or both. for the past 2 expansions its mostly been garrosh as varian has started to get a grasp on his hot headed-ness. there needs to be someone fill the void of garrosh's aggression after he's dealt with, jaina could very well fill that role
on the insane bitch I'm sure you meant an alliance of connivence. which is what the forsaken see their relationship with the horde being.
OT I'd have to put my pick on the horde being a refugee, a brotherhood of the oppressed and outcast. but to say that the relationships between the factions can't be more of a business transaction than a brand of loyalty is negotiable. seeing as the forsaken and Belves see it that way. they both know that without the horde they would be a lot worse off. but at the same time they want to peruse and be able to govern on their own terms. and with Garry as the warchief that is not unjustified.
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: The people who called this land their home in life, do so in death as well. Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: But the Alliance does not recognize our rights. They claim this land as their own while attempting to invalidate the claims of the founders of this kingdom. Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: I will never allow it... Never! Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: Lordaeron belongs to the Forsaken - always and forever.
The Horde is a shield for the divided and unwanted. Garrosh abuses this for his -about to fail- conquest.
The horde needs diplomatic solutions and treaties in the first place, that is what Thrall stood for. He was for fortifiying what the horde had instead of expanding.
^source? Orgrimmar still isn't great capital/stronghold, heck, there are still constructing tools outside. I hope the alliance comes down as a wave crash, so the horde can finally rebuild orgrimmar into a much better place.
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She wanted to bolster her forces with ravaging worgen who ripe their enemies to shreds, and them come into your dreams while you sleep and rip those to shreds too
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Alterac and Hillsbrad were/are part of Lorderon
We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"