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    Quote Originally Posted by Raugnaut View Post
    There is no longer a lvl 80 bracket in PvE. PvP, however, yea, I can see that. Having a lvl 80 player pop in with full 409s would make him a mini-raid boss in pvp.
    Not strictly true, it's just not the same PvE as it is in any other bracket, since the hardest content is 5mannable (or soloable depending on the class)

    PvP got wrecked by the 409s. Some classes are great, others aren't, and everyone has to stack as much resilience as humanly possible to even compete.

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    Don't like it? Level up to 90 then.
    Those items will NOT be removed, end of discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voyager View Post
    Don't like it? Level up to 90 then.
    Those items will NOT be removed, end of discussion.
    I dont like it. My level 80 paladin shouldn't be able to solo Lich King heroic 25man - something the best level 90 players at solo in the world aren't able to do.
    Last edited by Funkthepunk; 2012-12-15 at 12:40 PM.

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    I'm guessing because there's like 409 gear that's avaliable at level 80 give or take a few ilevel. The scaling of this would be INSANE!
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    How is this gear any different to being able to use Cataclysm gear at level 77? Go in to a random bg in the 75-79 bracket and look at the players with 60k hp in over 300ilvl gear one shotting everyone.

    Seems like this is nothing new to MoP and isn't a bug or anything of the sort that some people are claiming.

    Grats to OP and friends for finding a new way to enjoy the game that isn't just max level grind. I am sure you had a lot of fun doing this. Haters gonna hate etc...

  6. #46
    Those 409 ilvl items really should be level 85 gear - this is already on-par to heroic DS gear for 85's (best gear 85s could wear during Cata was 410 or occasional 416 from two final bosses) and scaling of these BOEs on level 80 toons is plain batshit crazy.

    Some ilvl 308 blues in Cata were acceptable, this ilvl wasn't much above best gear they could wear during 80 content (277 ICC25 HC gear, 284 RoS25HC and LK 25HC gear) but now it's over 120 freaking ilevels. O_o

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    About to start our level 80 Dragon Soul heroic raid. Stream can be found at: http://www.twitch.tv/nezikkk

    We're expecting a lot of wipes :P

    ---------- Post added 2012-12-15 at 11:51 PM ----------

    Managed 5/8 Will try the remaining 3 another time (hopefully next week).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aelo View Post
    About to start our level 80 Dragon Soul heroic raid. Stream can be found at: http://www.twitch.tv/nezikkk

    We're expecting a lot of wipes :P

    ---------- Post added 2012-12-15 at 11:51 PM ----------

    Managed 5/8 Will try the remaining 3 another time (hopefully next week).
    Wow nice! Good luck with that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aelo View Post
    About to start our level 80 Dragon Soul heroic raid. Stream can be found at: http://www.twitch.tv/nezikkk

    We're expecting a lot of wipes :P

    ---------- Post added 2012-12-15 at 11:51 PM ----------

    Managed 5/8 Will try the remaining 3 another time (hopefully next week).
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    Uploaded the first 2 heroic bosses A bit more interesting to watch than the normal mode videos (like promised!)



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    Congrats, was just about time some twinks do odd stuff. After we saw was it LK25, or 10 on level 80 solo'd by a DK, I knew it would be easy to do 85 raids.
    One reason for WoW decline I often hear is that its an old game and naturally people get bored with it. But TV is much older and people still watch that. Surely if a thing you once enjoyed keept staying fun, you would still use it?

  12. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Funkthepunk View Post
    I dont like it. My level 80 paladin shouldn't be able to solo Lich King heroic 25man - something the best level 90 players at solo in the world aren't able to do.
    Uh, you do know that those level 90's will have higher base stats and higher gear than your level 80 in 409 gear right? Alot more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Starfighter View Post
    Uh, you do know that those level 90's will have higher base stats and higher gear than your level 80 in 409 gear right? Alot more.
    not with the way secondary stats work.

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    lol? you can get a lot of amazing mists IL gear at 80 to increase your stats by stupid amounts

    not impressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orderschvank View Post
    lol? you can get a lot of amazing mists IL gear at 80 to increase your stats by stupid amounts

    not impressed.
    Pity, the raid was a real challenge. Working out newer tactics for bosses that only apply to level 80 is fun, especially when we were the first to try it.

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    Wasnt there some video of an 80's dk soloing heroic ds bosses ?

  17. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by Kane49 View Post
    Wasnt there some video of an 80's dk soloing heroic ds bosses ?
    pretty sure ragewyn's (spelling) crew did an all dk clear - i.e. still 25 players....but it was all dk's. dunno if it was hm tho

    also remember when comparing stats/ranks/dmg/heals/etc between 80s and 85s the secondary stat scaling (already brought up) AND the 35% dmg/hp reduction of the bosses really can't be overlooked (and has also been brought up, just not mentioned enough imo)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kane49 View Post
    Wasnt there some video of an 80's dk soloing heroic ds bosses ?
    it was some firelands bosses, and i believe the major one was heroic baleroc because no attacks could ever hit him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raugnaut View Post
    If they were fully decked out in 400 ilvl gear at 80, the tanks are ALMOST unhittable, the dps have INSANE stats (Crit capped, 20-25% hit, 1.0 sec GCD cap, HUGE amounts of mastery) and the healers could spam flash heal all day without going oom. Heck, with those stats, its possible for some classes that scale REALLY well with secondaries to outpreform what they would do at 85 in the same gear.

    It is still fairly impressive ^.^ How would heroic go?
    I actually think it's unusual for classes *not* to outperform what they'd do at 85. Levels do matter for PvE though - if bosses were a static 3 levels above you, 80s would probably be able to compete with some 90s.

    I have a twinked Shadow Priest at 80, and I can do up to 100k DPS burst and 50-60k sustained.

    Quote Originally Posted by Last Starfighter View Post
    Uh, you do know that those level 90's will have higher base stats and higher gear than your level 80 in 409 gear right? Alot more.
    Base stats, sure. Secondary stats, not even close. My Priest is above Mastery cap when my Windsong decides to proc Mastery (80% passively), I have 40% crit, 43% haste and 7.5k Spellpower (not a Secondary stat, just added it for comparison). This is without buffs, outside of Shadowform. I still have a couple of items to upgrade, too.

    Also, your signature has quite a few errors to the point that it almost doesn't make sense anymore.
    Last edited by Captain Asshat; 2012-12-17 at 08:16 AM.
    I'm not a native English speaker, and yet, I don't suck at English. The argument "English is not my mother tongue" doesn't actually give you an excuse to do so.

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    pretty sure crushing blows have been gone since wotlk launched

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