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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by omnibishop View Post
    Time for math:

    1 Spirit = 2 Golden Lotus

    With current farming methods, you can only earn 1.6 Spirits per day.

    In 10 days, you'd have enough spirits to buy 32 Golden Lotus from the vendor.

    Which means in those same 10 days you'd have to harvest 3.2 Golden Lotus per day to even match.

    Not only are planting Songbells still more efficient, but Spirits have more value and can be used for other things.

    Considering you get anywhere from 5-7 Lotus when planting Enigma seeds... songbells are VASTLY inefficient in comparison....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kobomino View Post
    Annoying how GW2 can deal with bot issues better and faster than Blizzard!
    No one's really pointed out their other huge advantage. GW2 only has a few servers and its community is still rather personal and there are employees who play and ask around about bots and exploiters. Having less ground to cover makes it a lot easier to check things.

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Kobomino View Post
    Annoying how GW2 can deal with bot issues better and faster than Blizzard!
    What they didn't say in the press release is how the drop in game activity made bots near worthless in GW2.

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    wish they didn't make a post about the Enigma Seed change..........now everyone will be doing it and Golden Lotus is going to tank or Blizzard will nerf it sooner than later

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    To clarify, I was using pre 5.1 numbers. I was unaware that they increased the GL drop rate with the Enigma Seeds. If you are going for Golden Lotus, I would say they would be more efficient to plant. However, Spirits are still "worth" more. (Worth being subjective based on server economy and professions)

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    News Shortage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by omnibishop View Post
    To clarify, I was using pre 5.1 numbers. I was unaware that they increased the GL drop rate with the Enigma Seeds. If you are going for Golden Lotus, I would say they would be more efficient to plant. However, Spirits are still "worth" more. (Worth being subjective based on server economy and professions)
    I tend to get about 6 per 16 planted so I'd expect the spawn rate of them to lower soon.

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    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    Q: What is the policy about selling an account in WoW for cash IRL?
    A: It's against the Terms of Use to sell accounts in this fashion; players who sell their accounts risk permanent closure. Buyers who purchase accounts through these illegitimate sales risk losing not only the accounts, but their payment as well (to unscrupulous sellers and scammers).
    I always find myself shaking my head when I see that question. News flash to those who didn't bother reading the ToU: It is not yours to sell since you don't own it.

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  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by TheWindWalker View Post
    No one's really pointed out their other huge advantage. GW2 only has a few servers and its community is still rather personal and there are employees who play and ask around about bots and exploiters. Having less ground to cover makes it a lot easier to check things.
    Not really the case, the game sold over 2 million copies in the first few week. It also has around 50 servers, not "a few". It's smaller then WoW, but that doesn't mean it's some itty-bitty community.
    It is true that Anet employ are in game sometimes to talk to, I've talked with one myself which was quiet nice.
    Quote Originally Posted by Xeraxis View Post
    What they didn't say in the press release is how the drop in game activity made bots near worthless in GW2.
    Except that's just your random guess on the games states. There's no numbers supporting that claim. In fact the recent discussions on guru have been showing the opposite to be true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arewn View Post
    Except that's just your random guess on the games states. There's no numbers supporting that claim. In fact the recent discussions on guru have been showing the opposite to be true.
    I know it sure is shocking that a fansites forums for the game paint the game in an overly optimistic light. My experiences in game however support my claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arewn View Post
    Not really the case, the game sold over 2 million copies in the first few week. It also has around 50 servers, not "a few". It's smaller then WoW, but that doesn't mean it's some itty-bitty community.
    I'm remembering wrong then. Because when I first installed it (On a "dev"s request) I only saw four servers to choose from.

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    Wow so read article on bots in GW2. I'll admit I do not play GW2 but it seems they are taking a proactive stance on bots. I like the part where they said they have GM's monitoring 24 hours/day. One thing I have not seem that blizz ever does. I mean how hard it is for Blizz to monitor BG's during highest activity of bots, you know at nights.

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    Brute force against bots seriously limit their chance of experimenting new ways to fool GMs. Blizzard should try this approach for some months and see how their frustration grows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buu View Post
    Brute force against bots seriously limit their chance of experimenting new ways to fool GMs. Blizzard should try this approach for some months and see how their frustration grows.
    Could you define "brute force" in this context? Because that would usually mean immediately banning any account suspected of botting immediately and then awaiting an appeal from the player. Which, obviously, leads to getting "troll banned" because a few people specifically targeted a single person and decided to report them separately at various intervals just to be funny and get a power high from it. Wait a few days. Pick a new target, repeat.

  15. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Deadlyseven View Post
    wish they didn't make a post about the Enigma Seed change..........now everyone will be doing it and Golden Lotus is going to tank or Blizzard will nerf it sooner than later
    good. they need to tank. on my server lotus's are going for between 120g and 150g each. making transmuting uncommon gems into rares completely worthless as for example a cut primordial ruby goes for 50g on the low end to just over 100g max. it is ridiculous that a mat required to make something is more expensive than the item that it is used to make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWindWalker View Post
    Could you define "brute force" in this context? Because that would usually mean immediately banning any account suspected of botting immediately and then awaiting an appeal from the player. Which, obviously, leads to getting "troll banned" because a few people specifically targeted a single person and decided to report them separately at various intervals just to be funny and get a power high from it. Wait a few days. Pick a new target, repeat.
    There are protocols to test for bots, and very feel are well prepared to avoid detection, specially because they need a Human watching for GM interactions.
    The number of botters that can avoid detection is ridiculously low, and usually escaping a detection, and hence the ban, cost them a couple of hours in which they stop botting, to waste the GMs off.

    And sorry dude, but the only dispute they can have is to say their account was "stolen", to which Blizzard already have a weeks to months long analysis of the case.
    Last edited by Buu; 2012-12-15 at 11:11 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWindWalker View Post
    I'm remembering wrong then. Because when I first installed it (On a "dev"s request) I only saw four servers to choose from.
    So you installed GW 2 being asked by a dev and found only 4 servers? When, in beta? Maybe you should check again, there's 50 servers at least, all high, full or medium.
    In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.

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    why not add a stacking "dishonorable Kill" debuff that is applied whenever you kill someone drastically below your level.


    a) this is war, do you think an officier wouldnt should a mere soldier if he meets him on the battlefield?
    b) play on a pve server.
    seriously, shit happens, this aint your friendly pve environment, because YOU CHOSE not to be there.

    next point plz
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  19. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by omnibishop View Post
    Time for math:

    1 Spirit = 2 Golden Lotus

    With current farming methods, you can only earn 1.6 Spirits per day.

    In 10 days, you'd have enough spirits to buy 32 Golden Lotus from the vendor.

    Which means in those same 10 days you'd have to harvest 3.2 Golden Lotus per day to even match.

    Not only are planting Songbells still more efficient, but Spirits have more value and can be used for other things.
    I am getting on average between 4 and 5 a day per plot of 16.

    Your also leaving out you do get other herbs as well are you not?

    Golden Lotus are almost exclusively what I use farming for, as I can make flasks (which I now have more herbs for!) or xmute gems for the retarded JC daily.

  20. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Xeraxis View Post
    I know it sure is shocking that a fansites forums for the game paint the game in an overly optimistic light. My experiences in game however support my claim.
    You haven't been to guru if you think people are optimistic there lately....
    And an individuals experience in game is rarely reflective of the reality of the situation. Especially considering one of the big problems in GW2 atm is the culling, where you can't see all the players on your screen.

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