Time to discuss gun regulation in the US?

[Amirila]

Sorry if I offend you:
As a non-American I think it's quite silly that people gets shot in the US, don't you see that that will happen if pretty much anyone can use a gun?
The argument "we have them to protect us with" is quite silly too, imo. If no one has a gun, you don't need a gun to protect yourself form other guns, right? But if you want your country to be this way, go ahead.
Once again, sorry if I offended anyone

[PizzaSHARK]

Honestly, you just highlighted a number of things that convince the rest of the world that we're predominately a bunch of giant assholes. Nothing but sheer ignorance, arrogance, and rash generalizations.

Shit, you can just look at fucking any Modern Warfare game if you wanted reinforcement of that

[Roxinius]

You are being unreasonably pedantic here. EVERYONE calls their cheap .22 lr a "range toy." Don't get a bug up your ass over this term.

thank you for proving my point about that some people are just too think to realize the term

[Beavis]

I'm not being clueless I am pointing out that term is not a good one, it trivializes the weapon. ever wonder why the Marine Corps doesn't call a weapon a gun? It is to keep the serious nature of the tool. One of my chief complaints and why I want to see more gun control is the slow denigration of the value of life and a weapon. You should never want to take a life, and you show never joke about a weapon.

I know you're an ex-Marine, but the reason firearms are called weapons instead of "guns" in the Corps is because a gun in the naval context refers to a naval gun, i.e. a big breech loading cannon.

Sorry, just had to have my moment of aspie-ness.

[Roxinius]

Sorry if I offend you:
As a non-American I think it's quite silly that people gets shot in the US, don't you see that that will happen if pretty much anyone can use a gun?
The argument "we have them to protect us with" is quite silly too, imo. If no one has a gun, you don't need a gun to protect yourself form other guns, right? But if you want your country to be this way, go ahead.
Once again, sorry if I offended anyone

rofl because criminals will just give their guns up right?

also will do i enjoy living in a country where i have the right to defend myself if the time ever came where i have to

[Porcell]

But if you want your country to be this way, go ahead.

Thanks for the support. Will do.

[Gothicshark]

yea...im kinda thinking the same thing. I didn't think any sort of military used the 22 version or even the strictly semi-auto 9mm version. I thought all the versions used by anyone working for the government would have a burst and full auto selection on it. The 22 just looks the same and has a high capacity.

When you are in the military you can have personal weapons. Also many units will buy weapons to be modified for special uses. These uses are almost never "Official" policies, but a way to achieve a goal to meet a need.

Trust me some of these needs are fairly wild.

However my comment was about the lack of respect he used with his weapon.

[Daffyduck]

You're talking about something completely different. Stay on topic.

lmfao, you're kidding right? You can't be that ignorant... oh nvm...

[Amirila]

rofl because criminals will just give their guns up right?

Sure, less than 1% will still have guns, but the killings will go down...

[Jokerfiend]

Yes I'm a tranny, I am also a former US Marine. I happen to know a thing or two about firearms. I also have a strong belief in personal freedom, and the Constitution. On these forums which is a collection of nerds from around the world it is interesting to see foreign points of view on issues relating to the USA, they might not understand everything but they have opinions which are just as valid as any American.

I could say you have no clue what freedom is worth unless you have served. I don't because we are all free.

Veteran here as well. So yeah, I can say what it means, at least to me. I've seen the hate other countries have for the US, not just the occupied ones. The sheer amount of ignorance from the EU to the US. Far out weights the ignorance from the average Mid-Westerner, in regards to EU.

Sure the Average American isn't completely familiar with the nearly 30 Countries in the EU. But the EU can focus just on one Country for blame. Even if it's far bigger and more diverse then the Average European wants to admit.

Most of the Americans have no clue on EU policy, and you want to know why? Because it's really none of our business and we have our own problems to deal with.

[PizzaSHARK]

seriously not explaining it again you dont get it

You're the one that ain't getting it, man. Guns aren't toys. A .22 can be just as deadly as a .30-06, just because it shoots a tiny bullet doesn't mean it isn't dangerous or that it's a toy.

Sorry if I offend you:
As a non-American I think it's quite silly that people gets shot in the US, don't you see that that will happen if pretty much anyone can use a gun?
The argument "we have them to protect us with" is quite silly too, imo. If no one has a gun, you don't need a gun to protect yourself form other guns, right? But if you want your country to be this way, go ahead.
Once again, sorry if I offended anyone

No offense taken

I think it's a common misconception that we buy and own guns because we feel a need to protect ourselves. Every gunowner I know owns their guns for hunting, recreation, or collecting, and the fact that our laws allow us to use those guns in self-defense is just a bonus.

[Deleted]

Sorry if I offend you:
As a non-American I think it's quite silly that people gets shot in the US, don't you see that that will happen if pretty much anyone can use a gun?
The argument "we have them to protect us with" is quite silly too, imo. If no one has a gun, you don't need a gun to protect yourself form other guns, right? But if you want your country to be this way, go ahead.
Once again, sorry if I offended anyone

My point exactlly. They need to disarm each and everyone, making it hard to get a gun both legal and illegal. The then gun crimes will go down as there will be harder to make.

ps: Hunting weapons are rifles and other sort, nowhere close to assault rifles that can be used so easy in a killing spree. As at hunting you hunt one target at a time, but hey that's what we use here in the "strict gun control" countries. Also we have a limit of ammountion per hunting rifle and registered permit with check-ups.

[Roxinius]

When you are in the military you can have personal weapons. Also many units will buy weapons to be modified for special uses. These uses are almost never "Official" policies, but a way to achieve a goal to meet a need.

Trust me some of these needs are fairly wild.

However my comment was about the lack of respect he used with his weapon.

there is no lack of respect

[Gothicshark]

You are being unreasonably pedantic here. EVERYONE calls their cheap .22 lr a "range toy." Don't get a bug up your ass over this term.

Remind me never to goto your range or hang out in your circles, because I'm the type to punch someone for trivializing a weapon.

[Amirila]

No offense taken

I think it's a common misconception that we buy and own guns because we feel a need to protect ourselves. Every gunowner I know owns their guns for hunting, recreation, or collecting, and the fact that our laws allow us to use those guns in self-defense is just a bonus.

Well, guns for hunting I can understand, but plenty of people has smaller guns, like pistols, and those do very good for hunting

[Roxinius]

Sure, less than 1% will still have guns, but the killings will go down...

really you believe that there are less then 1% of criminals living in the united states i dont think theres a face palm that will do justice to that

[Skalme]

In response to the recent shootings at both the Connecticut elementary school and the Oregon Mall, wouldn't you agree that it's about time to discuss severely limiting gun freedom and firearm possession in America?

Not in the least.

The cat is, technologically speaking, out of the bag. You cannot regulate guns. They are too simple to make, and people know how to do it. Have you ever heard of a thing called a Zip Gun? Yes, they were single shot items, and often as (or more) dangerous to the user, but it is a simple demonstration of the point.

Given how well the War on Drugs has gone, and evidence from prohibition in general, simply making guns illegal does nothing. The biggest effect is making sure that criminals have a much easier time because the population is unarmed.

What you really need to do is change the culture. How do you do that? Every citizen, whether they want to own a gun or not, goes through a gun safety course. Make it part of the curriculum during 6th or 7th grade. After that, if you want to own a gun, you get further training and a license, then have periodic re-testing and re-training. We require licenses to own/operate deadly weapons already, why not extend that from cars to guns?

That's still not going to be a perfect system, but it would be far better than what we have now.

Bowling For Columbine is a great documentary about exactly this, I recommend watching it for some useful/interesting insight on this issue

And by useful insight you mean heavily slanted propaganda.

[Ryme]

If someone is determined to shoot and kill people, guns being illegal wont change a thing.

Would inherently make it harder to do which would be enough to stop a few people, thereby saving a few lives. How could you possibly be so selfish as to ignore this, people's kids have died.

[Amirila]

really you believe that there are less then 1% of criminals living in the united states i dont think theres a face palm that will do justice to that

As I said, I'm no American, I don't know the numbers

[Beavis]

My point exactlly. They need to disarm each and everyone, making it hard to get a gun both legal and illegal. The then gun crimes will go down as there will be harder to make.

That's not going to happen. It just isn't. I don't think you guys really appreciate the fact that this is in our Constitution. You might as well be talking about removing freedom of the press or freedom of assembly. Either of those would be only slightly more challenging than creating the necessary legal groundwork for European style gun control in the US.