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No man really becomes a fool until he stops asking questions.
Criminals largely carry weapons as self-defence against occupants of houses that are also carrying weapons as self-defence. It's just one massive downward spiral of paranoia.
Wait... i thought that locking your firearms up was actually legislated in some states, are you saying theres nothing in place whatsoever that regulates it?
I really dont know much about gun control in the states
Secure your house from easy break-in. Install Alarm systems. Pay the extra bucks that sets off the alarm at the police station.
I've once accidentally set off the fire alarm at someone's house.. It took 2 minutes and the fire dept was here.
Change your mindset away from the John Wayne attitude..
For example, the United Kingdom has a national homicide rate of 1.2 per 100,000. Japan has 0.3. You are 4x as likely to die in the UK as you are in Japan by intentional homicide, according to figures. The us is 4.2, which makes you less than 4x as likely to die in the US as you are in the UK. This is not so simple as to say GUNS CAUSE THIS.
Do Guns make you 4x as likely to die in the UK as in Japan? No. Because Guns are controlled here(UK) to a great extent. There are massive differences in culture, size, population etc and you cannot make such grand interpretations and conclusions from such simple statistics just to support your idea. Again - you just look silly, and anyone with any intelligence will laugh your argument away.
It also doesn't help that the US has states that many don't even consider when looking at these figures. For example, the US includes the District of Columbia (24.0) and Puerto Rico (22.61). Huge numbers that skew statistics if not included in your arguments.
Also, showing how lacking you are in knowledge and understanding, the cities you linked while being terrible, are not terrible compared to statewide numbers.
Louisiana has 11.8, New Mexico 8.7, Marlyand 7.7, Tennessee 7.3, Alabama 6.9.... I'm not going to continue because if you haven't noticed the trend here... theres no point you reading on.
Aside from Maryland(?), All of these states are some of the LEAST densely populated, and LEAST populated states and more so they come from states which have the HIGHEST density of WHITE Americans, and from the most well known states for racial hatred, race crimes, fanatic religious commitment and unfortunately known stereotypically for their stupidity. (Which I believe is shown true with statistics also).
These states have (comparably - compared to highest offending states) low felony rates, which means these crimes are committed out of arguments and passion.
All of these states rank highest on murder and nonnegligent manslaughter but comparably lower on arson, robbery, rape, property crime, burglary and theft etc.
Every city you linked, has incredible racial segregation. For example, Detroit is 80% BLACK, 20% White.
What I'm getting at here, and why I am stopping with the statistics, is this: the reason crime rates are so high in the locations you linked, and the locations I linked, is Racial and Economic disparity. There is a clear link between these figures, that shows race and economics has a far greater effect on crime than GUNS.
Tokyo, has a population 12.79m, 1.6% of which are foreign (not of Japanese Ethnicity), 29.6% of this 1.6% are Chinese, 26.6% are Korean. So Over 50% of the 1.6% of Japanese residents who are not Japanese, are still Asian.
Hence, why your argument, is silly (although not entirely moot). There are a miriad of other factors that you don't even consider.
I think the main problem with this thread is that people are trying to find other people's rationale for wanting freedom.
People wanting more freedom is extremely irrational. We don't really need freedom of speech. We just really, really want it in order to be more free. We don't NEED to be able to smoke cigars and cigarettes, in fact it's very bad for us, but we want it because it makes us more free. We don't NEED to allow civilians to light fires in their backyards, it can even cause dangerous fires to be started, but we allow it because it makes us more free. We don't need to play allow sports to be televised where people permanently injuring each other is glorified, but we let it happen, because it makes us more free.
Ultimately, people who are willing to sacrifice freedom for safety won't understand people who aren't willing to make that trade. But I don't think it's fair for them to criticize people who want more freedoms. Just let them have their country and mind your own goddamn business in your respective country.
Infracted: Please don't resort to generalizations (on the level of nations, or in this case, continents), it's against the rules of the site.
Last edited by Wikiy; 2012-12-16 at 05:22 PM.
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In a moment of passion, you might realize what you're doing, and stop before it is too late.
In specific case of shooting in school, when 3 people came at him (principal and such), he probably wouldn't be able to stab all of them, two of them fatally.
I'm not saying that guns should be banned.
But no one can compare a knife, even a hunting knife, to a mechanism specifically designed by very smart people to kill. It is designed to kill from a safe distance, pretty anonymously, heck some guns have sniper scopes so that other person could be hundreds of feet away unaware of anything.
Guns do kill people, if you can show me a person capable of throwing an object at a speed of 800 feet per second, I'll show you the best pitcher in the world.