View Poll Results: Do you support banning AND round-up of said guns in the USA?

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  1. #2481
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    Quote Originally Posted by twistedsista View Post
    i just think most americans are an ignorant bunch & will never come to terms with their failings & massacres like this will always take place there
    Congratulations..... you have an opinion... i also have an opinion... i will never be a slave to oppression from an enemy, either foreign or domestic. I have an ability to protect myself from my government, my enemies, and have an ability to secure what i need, should i need.
    No man really becomes a fool until he stops asking questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ovm33 View Post
    And just like your non-linked experts, I'm no magician or seer, so I can't tell you what "COULD" have happened.
    Just follow the news.. There's plenty of expert analysis to be heard, seen and read.
    Or maybe just ask some well trained soldier about combat situation in the dark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICH1471 View Post
    Does that happen often where you live? Do people often break into your home armed with a firearm intending to murder you? If so, I suggest you move somewhere safer.
    It's a strange kind of paranoia to think yourself that important that someone would willingly break into your house with the sole intention of killing you. More often than not injuries occur when people startle or try to confront burglars and wind up shot or stabbed.

    Criminals largely carry weapons as self-defence against occupants of houses that are also carrying weapons as self-defence. It's just one massive downward spiral of paranoia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roxinius View Post
    i suggest you go back to sipping your tea no it doesnt happen here but guess what 911 response time are still a joke anywhere in the end im not giving up my guns or my right to protect myself
    Insults now? I am not drinking tea at the moment, it is chicken soup. When did I say you had to give up guns? Stop telling lies.

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    Wait... i thought that locking your firearms up was actually legislated in some states, are you saying theres nothing in place whatsoever that regulates it?

    I really dont know much about gun control in the states

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICH1471 View Post
    Insults now? I am not drinking tea at the moment, it is chicken soup. When did I say you had to give up guns? Stop telling lies.
    did i say you said that no it was a statement

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazi View Post
    That is the most ridiculouse statement I have ever seen. As a father/husband, it IS my job to protect myself and my family. Someone breaks into my house, I am calling the police, sure. But what about until they get there? It's not my job to defend my family? Are you insane?
    It is your job to maximize crime prevention.
    Secure your house from easy break-in. Install Alarm systems. Pay the extra bucks that sets off the alarm at the police station.
    I've once accidentally set off the fire alarm at someone's house.. It took 2 minutes and the fire dept was here.

    Change your mindset away from the John Wayne attitude..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazi View Post
    That is the most ridiculouse statement I have ever seen. As a father/husband, it IS my job to protect myself and my family. Someone breaks into my house, I am calling the police, sure. But what about until they get there? It's not my job to defend my family? Are you insane?




    No, my point is that a CRIMINAL will get a gun anyways. They do not abide by the law. FFS.
    For fuck sakes you're the one who doesn't get it lol.

    Criminals will get guns, sure, but when there are LESS GUNS TO BE HAD THERE WILL BE LESS CRIMINALS WITH GUNS.e

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildtree View Post
    No.. The police is there to protect you BY enforcing the law.
    This debate is irrelevant, who do we call to protect us from the police?
    The right to bear arms is to protect a free society from a tyrannical government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roxinius View Post
    did i say you said that no it was a statement
    Yet you quoted me, hence you were replying to me or commenting on something I said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haxartus View Post
    A little comparison which might upset some people but it's the truth.
    Cities by homicide rate per 100 000 by most recent statistic.
    Berlin (Germany) - 1.1
    Detroit (USA) - 34.5
    Bucharest (Romania)- 0.9
    Washington (USA) - 21.9
    Seoul (Republic of Korea)-2.4
    Cincinnati (USA) - 19.0
    Mumbai (India) - 1.3
    Boston (USA) - 11.3
    Athens (Greece) - 1.3
    Los Angeles (USA) - 7.6
    Toronto (Canada) - 1.5
    New York City (USA) - 6.4
    Tokyo (Japan) - 0.4
    After a quick calculation it turns out that you are 86.25 times more likely to be killed in Detroit than in Tokyo.
    Also guess which country has the strictest gun control from all of these ? Yes, the one with the lowest murder rate by far - Japan.
    Suggesting that it is all to do with gun crime is silly, and you just end up looking silly. Particularly, when you just link random countries around the world, comparing them to some of the largest US cities with some of the worst gangland violence, and a huge discrepancy between rich and poor against some of the safest cities in the world.

    For example, the United Kingdom has a national homicide rate of 1.2 per 100,000. Japan has 0.3. You are 4x as likely to die in the UK as you are in Japan by intentional homicide, according to figures. The us is 4.2, which makes you less than 4x as likely to die in the US as you are in the UK. This is not so simple as to say GUNS CAUSE THIS.

    Do Guns make you 4x as likely to die in the UK as in Japan? No. Because Guns are controlled here(UK) to a great extent. There are massive differences in culture, size, population etc and you cannot make such grand interpretations and conclusions from such simple statistics just to support your idea. Again - you just look silly, and anyone with any intelligence will laugh your argument away.

    It also doesn't help that the US has states that many don't even consider when looking at these figures. For example, the US includes the District of Columbia (24.0) and Puerto Rico (22.61). Huge numbers that skew statistics if not included in your arguments.

    Also, showing how lacking you are in knowledge and understanding, the cities you linked while being terrible, are not terrible compared to statewide numbers.

    Louisiana has 11.8, New Mexico 8.7, Marlyand 7.7, Tennessee 7.3, Alabama 6.9.... I'm not going to continue because if you haven't noticed the trend here... theres no point you reading on.

    Aside from Maryland(?), All of these states are some of the LEAST densely populated, and LEAST populated states and more so they come from states which have the HIGHEST density of WHITE Americans, and from the most well known states for racial hatred, race crimes, fanatic religious commitment and unfortunately known stereotypically for their stupidity. (Which I believe is shown true with statistics also).

    These states have (comparably - compared to highest offending states) low felony rates, which means these crimes are committed out of arguments and passion.

    All of these states rank highest on murder and nonnegligent manslaughter but comparably lower on arson, robbery, rape, property crime, burglary and theft etc.

    Every city you linked, has incredible racial segregation. For example, Detroit is 80% BLACK, 20% White.


    What I'm getting at here, and why I am stopping with the statistics, is this: the reason crime rates are so high in the locations you linked, and the locations I linked, is Racial and Economic disparity. There is a clear link between these figures, that shows race and economics has a far greater effect on crime than GUNS.

    Tokyo, has a population 12.79m, 1.6% of which are foreign (not of Japanese Ethnicity), 29.6% of this 1.6% are Chinese, 26.6% are Korean. So Over 50% of the 1.6% of Japanese residents who are not Japanese, are still Asian.

    Hence, why your argument, is silly (although not entirely moot). There are a miriad of other factors that you don't even consider.
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    I think the main problem with this thread is that people are trying to find other people's rationale for wanting freedom.
    People wanting more freedom is extremely irrational. We don't really need freedom of speech. We just really, really want it in order to be more free. We don't NEED to be able to smoke cigars and cigarettes, in fact it's very bad for us, but we want it because it makes us more free. We don't NEED to allow civilians to light fires in their backyards, it can even cause dangerous fires to be started, but we allow it because it makes us more free. We don't need to play allow sports to be televised where people permanently injuring each other is glorified, but we let it happen, because it makes us more free.

    Ultimately, people who are willing to sacrifice freedom for safety won't understand people who aren't willing to make that trade. But I don't think it's fair for them to criticize people who want more freedoms. Just let them have their country and mind your own goddamn business in your respective country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddark View Post
    This debate is irrelevant, who do we call to protect us from the police?
    The right to bear arms is to protect a free society from a tyrannical government.
    Given the training and equipment the US Government and Military have access to - you wouldn't stand a chance, even with a basement full of Assault rifles. It's a romantic notion but not a realistic one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddark View Post
    This debate is irrelevant, who do we call to protect us from the police?
    The right to bear arms is to protect a free society from a tyrannical government.
    dont bother the Europeans have no clue about the right to defend themselves they are anti-gun because they didnt fight for their rights long ago

    Infracted: Please don't resort to generalizations (on the level of nations, or in this case, continents), it's against the rules of the site.
    Last edited by Wikiy; 2012-12-16 at 05:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICH1471 View Post
    Does that happen often where you live? Do people often break into your home armed with a firearm intending to murder you? If so, I suggest you move somewhere safer.
    Yes because everyone has the means to just grab their shit and move. wow the stupidity here astounds.where I live I pay $950 bucks a month working a minimum wage job pulling in around $1400. After rent, pet food, my food, laundry, electric, internet, car insurance, health insurance, and a wow sub Im fuckin broke so lets say I wanna move I find a guy he has a place to rent and he is willing to let me bring my dogs. He says $950 a month to move in I need to give him First month, last month, and a moth deposit that's $2850 just to get the key from the fella now I have to pay to move all of my shit from point A to point B

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manakin View Post
    Wait... i thought that locking your firearms up was actually legislated in some states, are you saying theres nothing in place whatsoever that regulates it?

    I really dont know much about gun control in the states
    theres a few laws but no one enforces them. i used to see guys riding around with machine guns in the back of their trucks at my highschool. no one gives a fuck till the bullets start flying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddark View Post
    This debate is irrelevant, who do we call to protect us from the police?
    The right to bear arms is to protect a free society from a tyrannical government.
    Really think the US army will turn on its own people? Soldiers are not robots, they have minds of their own. Most Soldiers would tell command to get fucked if ordered against their own people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildtree View Post
    Just most recently some mother discovered her son was planning another Aurora style shooting and turned him in.
    http://www.news-leader.com/viewart/2...ight-screening

    Bolivar is in Missouri.
    Stopped by his mother when she found out what he was planning and that he was disturbed does not equal being stopped by someone that is licensed to carry a handgun. People that are pro-gun will claim that carrying guns stops violent acts. However, mass shootings happen and are never stopped by someone licensed to carry. Individual home burglaries or convenience store robberies from time to time are stopped (and often end up with the criminal shooting the person anyway), but yet mass shootings are not stopped by the people that swear that carrying guns prevents crimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madmajix View Post
    Nope you stab them or shove them down some stairs maybe through a window
    stabbing and throwing people out of window takes longer than using the point-and-squeeze interface of a gun.
    In a moment of passion, you might realize what you're doing, and stop before it is too late.

    In specific case of shooting in school, when 3 people came at him (principal and such), he probably wouldn't be able to stab all of them, two of them fatally.

    I'm not saying that guns should be banned.

    But no one can compare a knife, even a hunting knife, to a mechanism specifically designed by very smart people to kill. It is designed to kill from a safe distance, pretty anonymously, heck some guns have sniper scopes so that other person could be hundreds of feet away unaware of anything.

    Guns do kill people, if you can show me a person capable of throwing an object at a speed of 800 feet per second, I'll show you the best pitcher in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madmajix View Post
    Yes because everyone has the means to just grab their shit and move. wow the stupidity here astounds.where I live I pay $950 bucks a month working a minimum wage job pulling in around $1400. After rent, pet food, my food, laundry, electric, internet, car insurance, health insurance, and a wow sub Im fuckin broke so lets say I wanna move I find a guy he has a place to rent and he is willing to let me bring my dogs. He says $950 a month to move in I need to give him First month, last month, and a moth deposit that,s $2850 just to get the key from the fella now I have to pay to move all of my shit from point A to point B
    So cut down on the luxuries and save your pennies, stop making excuses.

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