Time to discuss gun regulation in the US?

[Roose]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...united-states/



We are becoming less violent overall, but more lethal when violence strikes. In other words, our killing power is increasing. I wonder why...

[Bakis]

how is that gun ban working in Chicago?

http://www.wgntv.com/news/wgntv-murd...0,536537.story

only took them 9 months to murder 400 people... and thats with one of the strictest gun bans in the US

Problem with the argument you just did is cos unless the legislation is the same all over the country it is not really hard to see how much less effective the Chicago legislation is on its own.

[Seranthor]

They dont get it Schwarz..They are trying to rationalize high capacity, semi-auto weapons. Its sad isn't it??

I never said that, however, since you want to go for hyperbole. I'll roll with it... I'm for responsible gun ownership. I'm also for responsible government. I'm also for making sure that motorists are legal citizens.

and I'm not getting any of the 3...

[Latetomyownfuneral]

yea im sure intentional malpractician is very common herp derp.. and that is the most logic part in your statement, says alot.

Intentional malpractice happens. Probably more than we will ever know, because it isn't all flashy. Shootings are. Mass shootings are not very common. Even more so considering the amount of guns that were not used to kill people. Never mind the fact that we do not know how many crimes or acts of violence have been stopped, simply by producing a gun.

[Seranthor]

Fertilizer sales are regulated.

Not where I live in the US.

[Unclekreepy]

http://www.voanews.com/content/man-s...l/1564820.html



so do knives, why arent they screaming BAN KNIVES in china right now?

[Tradewind]

how is that gun ban working in Chicago?

http://www.wgntv.com/news/wgntv-murd...0,536537.story

only took them 9 months to murder 400 people... and thats with one of the strictest gun bans in the US

guns in Chicago only come from Chicago, mirite?

[Palmatum]

Clean up and wait for it to happen again. God bless America...

[Deleted]

1. ALL gun laws and regulations are nationwide.
2. Guns can only be sold at designated shops, that have to submit all records to the ATF or a new agency, hopefully with less crap shuffled through.
3. Gun shops all have to have advanced security, locking down all firearms at night/whenever they are closed.
4. In order to purchase a long gun (Shotgun, rifle) you must pass a federal backround check, and there is a three day waiting period on your purchase.
5. In order to purchase a hand gun, you must pass a concealed carry safety course, the federal backround check, (No jail time, no crime) a drug test (yes, seriously) There is a one week waiting period.
6. In order to purchase a gun in general, you must also purchase safety locks (Trigger guards, with keys) and you must submit to a random check of your home, to ensure that you are keeping your gun secure in a safe.
7. If you ever commit a felony and you own a gun, you forfeit your right to own guns. Permanently.
8. If you ever commit a crime USING a gun, there is a mandatory 20 year prison sentence, minimum.
9. You must pass a gun safety course every two years, and your drivers license will be marked and kept current with said course passage.
10. Ammunition must be stored separetly from your firearms, and you cannot store firearms loaded. (Obviously)
11. Gun safes must all be required to be of a certain quality, no cheap ass wal-mart knock offs that can be broken into in five minutes with a crowbar.


12. Any special "kits" that modify your rifle or pistol in ways to change the firing mechanism or mode of fire are illegal. Caught with them and all your guns are taken away, permanently.
13. If you are found with firearms that are not registered, it is a mandatory 10 year prison sentence.
14. I do not really have a 14th right now, 13 is just an unlucky number.


Almost all of these would incur costs to either the government, or the gun owner. However, if they are serious about it, they will not balk at the cost.



Anyone else have any ideas?

I just fixed this problem with rational thinking, trying to see it from both sides, balancing in the middle!

If I was American I would vote you in for Government, those are exactly the same rules I have been urging yanks to get for years. Do not ban firearms, regulate them instead.

[Gothicshark]

That's laughable, no, you don't need to beef up any parts... "beefing up" those parts only slightly reduces the chance of malfunction during full auto fire, and the only part that really effects that is the M16 bolt carrier, which is the standard with most decent quality AR-15 rifles anyways (my stag rifle shipped with one, as do almost every new Colt).

And your statement about the magazine is wrong as well (if only slightly). Having that magazine at all is a felony in California if it is not disassembled. If it's disassembled it's technically a "repair kit" for 30 round magazines that have been modified to only hold 10.

I think you just proved my point, Granted if I did the modifying I would make sure every part was at least military quality if not better. Most people just shave the one thing and get the high capacity magazines.

[Spectral]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...united-states/

While that graph is striking, it's also strikingly deceptive. They left off two countries, Estonia and Mexico. Hmmm... I wonder if there's anything special about those countries...

*checks data*

Oh, Mexico has triple our murder rate and Estonia's a touch higher than us as well. Why leave them off? The point is just as good when saying, "hey, we're a lot higher than almost everyone in the OECD" than saying, "we're the highest, as long as we pretend Estonia and Mexico aren't places".

[Zallex]

NO it will never be time for strict gun regulations in America. We have somthing called the second amendment here in the USA. If all u fucking european communists don't want to have guns then fine!! just don't come crying to me when someone breaks into your house and you have no defense. Honestly don't u socialists have bigger things to worry about in your own country?????? LOL eu debt crisis


Also what alot of people are forgetting is making guns illegal will only take away guns for law abiding citizens and not for criminals!!!
Making guns illegal would just create a black market for them just like there is a giant black market for drugs.

As for all you liberals living in the US, maybe you should be angry about Obama giving away guns to violent MEXICAN DRUG CARTELS instead of getting riled up that law abiding citizens can own one.

Infracted: Please refrain from nation bashing or generalizing users

[Spectral]

how is that gun ban working in Chicago?

http://www.wgntv.com/news/wgntv-murd...0,536537.story

only took them 9 months to murder 400 people... and thats with one of the strictest gun bans in the US

The murder rate was more than double that in 1991. I don't know where the article is getting their numbers from.

Also, handguns became legal in Chicago again last year.

[lolo855]

http://www.voanews.com/content/man-s...l/1564820.html



so do knives, why arent they screaming BAN KNIVES in china right now?

Did you see the part where there are no death's ?

Or are you saying dead children is the same as wounded children ? Because If I could choose one I know which one I would pick.

[Kraenen]

Really? So let me ask YOU... how many people did the 2 dozen guns in my safe kill today?

how many people did the knife in my drawer kill today?

Does that mean I can't use a knife to kill someone?

[lolo855]

While that graph is striking, it's also strikingly deceptive. They left off two countries, Estonia and Mexico. Hmmm... I wonder if there's anything special about those countries...

*checks data*

Oh, Mexico has triple our murder rate and Estonia's a touch higher than us as well. Why leave them off? The point is just as good when saying, "hey, we're a lot higher than almost everyone in the OECD" than saying, "we're the highest, as long as we pretend Estonia and Mexico aren't places".

True but are you compairing mexico and estonia with the US ?

Because I sure as hell know there is a big difference.

[Kraenen]

NO it will never be time for strict gun regulations in America. We have somthing called the second amendment here in the USA. If all u fucking european communists don't want to have guns then fine!! just don't come crying to me when someone breaks into your house and you have no defense. Honestly don't u socialists have bigger things to worry about in your own country?????? LOL eu debt crisis


Also what alot of people are forgetting is making guns illegal will only take away guns for law abiding citizens and not for criminals!!!
Making guns illegal would just create a black market for them just like there is a giant black market for drugs.

As for all you liberals living in the US, maybe you should be angry about Obama giving away guns to violent MEXICAN DRUG CARTELS instead of getting riled up that law abiding citizens can own one.

Why are you talking to liberals as if they are left wing? The definition of liberal has always been less gov. control, less regulation, opening borders and taking away trade barriers.

[Seranthor]

With gun : 28 people
Without gun : 2-3 people

FACT - gun 20+ people.

So yes - I've looked around, and lack of access to firearms makes killing people a way harder task.

its NOT A FACT... no matter how many times you say it... repeating it a million times wont make it a fact...

Simple question for you... if guns all by themselves kill people then tell me how many people did the 2 dozen guns in my safe kill today?

[Deleted]

I agree a heavy caliber bolt action is the best, and if you live somewhere with bears, it is the only thing that can kill one. An AR-15 wont even slow a bear down. Oh and for killing a deer you don't need 30 shots, just one will do any more and you spoil the meat.

I own 6 rifles, everyone will kill a deer in one shot, something an AR15 is not guaranteed to do. I Took a large stag last year at 800 yards with my Lee Enfield, 1 hit to the heart and it was dead, no suffering. Anyone that requires more than one shot to kill his prey needs more time training before going hunting.

[lolo855]

While that graph is striking, it's also strikingly deceptive. They left off two countries, Estonia and Mexico. Hmmm... I wonder if there's anything special about those countries...

*checks data*

Oh, Mexico has triple our murder rate and Estonia's a touch higher than us as well. Why leave them off? The point is just as good when saying, "hey, we're a lot higher than almost everyone in the OECD" than saying, "we're the highest, as long as we pretend Estonia and Mexico aren't places".

True but are you compairing mexico and estonia with the US ?

Because I sure as hell know there is a big difference.