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The whole thread, on the most part, sums up the sorry state of the world.
Guns make mass murder much more accessible to a crazy nut.
Oh? They were stolen? This reinforces the point even further.
My question is, what drove the person to become a nut?
Watch a week's worth of average TV, that'd be enough for me.
Whilst the world burns we has crap like: Kardashians, BGT, AGT, X-Factor, I'm A Celebrity.
Now, these are not the causes directly, but when an entire sect of the world chooses to fill it's time with the above et al whilst the rest struggle with basic survival, we must ask the question - what the fuck went wrong and how can we remedy it?
Thoughts? Your someone from another country trying to tell us how to run ours. That is my main though on this subject. Also I hear cocaine and heroin is bad we should BAN them too! I am sure that will take them off the streets.
Why do the same people who want to legalize marijuana with the argument "It will take the drug away from the drug dealer's hands" think that a gun ban/regulation would be good at all? I mean it would work just like any other thing we have banned. The cartel will now be selling guns, No need for ID my friend just bring lots of money!
You know Hitler in WW2 issued a gun ban on German citizens, I think we all know what governments really want with gun bans. A society that isn't armed and can't resist.
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This is because Blizzard had put in strict Spell Power laws to prevent magical violence. The mobs were good law-abiding digital citizens and thus, were left defenseless.
Now imagine said Mage walking into Blackrock Mountain, where all of the mobs are equally or greater armed. Think Mr. Mage will get far?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexis_de_Tocqueville
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. -CS Lewis
To all those saying they'll get the guns someway or other...
Pretty much every other country doesn't have guns and we have no problem.
Banning guns will reduce crime tenfold as there is no temptation to use a firearm in the first place.
A lot of people are talking about intentional use of guns to cause harm.
1/4 of all gun-related deaths in the US are accidental. That means about 8000 people per year die to gun purely because they exist in the US.
In other countries, that number is as low as 50 people. In comparable population size, that is around 200 people. 8000 vs 200 people, purely because guns exist. If you can't see that it is because of the 2nd amendment, and subsequently why it needs to change, then I really don't know what to tell you.
Oh and to reinforce, these are accidental deaths. This is not even touching on the comparable stats between intentional use vs other countries, and even with other weapons (hint: Non-firearm related crimes nearly always end up with the weapon un-used and only as a threat, same can't be said about guns).
Simple numbers, simple facts.
That would be a good idea in theory but there is no system in place to check where and how much ppl buy.
Not to mention it would be extremly hard to convince people about any possible benefits.
If someone plan something they can just stockpile a few months, also it would have to be illegal to pass on ammo that you bought to a 2nd part and how would that even be enforced.
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Apple did not explain why the update was first introduced in China, but over the years, the tech giant has been criticised for appeasing Beijing.
Actually gun control would cause illegal guns to go up in price and higher end weapons to be harder to come by. You and many others have to remember that not all gun related crimes are done with illegal guns either. I see this from people all the time on here, its like they think only illegal guns are used in shootings. The guns used in the Columbine shootings were bought at a gun show FFS.
We are all homo sapiens sapiens, the same species.
A little humility (yes, someone from across the globe giving valid advice on running your nation) can go a long way.
Instead, we are divided.
You know, I heard somewhere united we stand divided we fall.
Apply that to the species and not a singular fucking nation.
There is no data base to go to to see if the person who is purchasing the gun has a mental illness it is just a box you check yes or no on the application when you purchase a gun
But good luck trying to convince people that a nation wide list needs to be comprised of the mentally ill
You're right 16% does seem low. I guess the way I calculated using the average of 6 per owner is flawed, because you have a bunch of people with one gun and then some guy with like 40 who skews it.
Surveys I've found (of self ownership, not "guns in the home") said about 29-30% which seems plausible. Children are completely ineligible to own one so that brings it down, and women have a drastically lower rate of gun ownership than men do (10-13% as far as I could see).
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Many argue that the regulations are so lax that they are almost non-existant. The check ups, tests, training, license to get a driving license has been made already in this thread.
I dont think many americans actually consider the regulations strict no matter if pro or anti regulations.
But soon after Mr Xi secured a third term, Apple released a new version of the feature in China, limiting its scope. Now Chinese users of iPhones and other Apple devices are restricted to a 10-minute window when receiving files from people who are not listed as a contact. After 10 minutes, users can only receive files from contacts.
Apple did not explain why the update was first introduced in China, but over the years, the tech giant has been criticised for appeasing Beijing.
Logic bomb:
Anyone saying "If we make guns illegal, only the crazies will have guns" just doesn't get it. While this is true, it's not a valid argument. It doesn't matter if only the crazy people will have guns, because there is nothing stopping them from using a gun to kill in either case, whether or not guns are illegal.
A) If guns are legal, they buy or steal easy to find legitimate guns, or use illegitimate guns to kill people, and there is nothing stopping them, because we don't live in Minority Report and there is nothing suspicious about carrying a rifle around.
B) If guns are illegal, they are forced to find rare illegitimate guns to kill people, and there is nothing stopping them, because we don't live in Minority Report, but it is extremely suspicious to carry a gun around.
Case A has far more tragic deaths than B. It's very simple.
Last edited by sophos1; 2012-12-15 at 12:54 AM.
that is misleading, Population of Idaho 1,584,985. Population of California 37,691,912.
Now lets look at gun deaths per capita.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...o-arizona.html
#40, California
Gun deaths per 100,000: 9
Permissive gun laws: 50th out of 50
#15, Idaho
Gun deaths per 100,000: 12.5
Permissive gun laws: 2nd out of 50