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    Die by the sword + offensive cds at the same time

    Why?
    Reminds me of bublewings retadins a couple of years ago.
    (it's sweet, i cant stop the warrior while he's vigorously pounding my butt)

    PD: Playing rogue.
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    You know you can still stun him from behind yeah? DbS only works if he is facing you.

    Also it is really only effective against physical class abilities that can be parried.
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    Blind, Vanish, Evasion, and Dismantle will all completely eliminate that cooldown, and if he is dumb enough to use his offensives and defensives all at once grats you win the duel.

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    Evasion won't do much against a warrior except allow him to overpower spam the shit out of you, I'm 99% sure you can parry dismantle, blind can be trinketted.
    And, does vanish even remove bleeds in any way? Never actually played a rogue. But it's true. DBTS destroys pure physical melee, and "get behind him" doesn't work because any warrior worth anything will be facing his target.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squid View Post
    Blind, Vanish, Evasion, and Dismantle will all completely eliminate that cooldown, and if he is dumb enough to use his offensives and defensives all at once grats you win the duel.

    I smell a warrior spreading false info about rogues in this thread for personal gain.

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    Dismantle can and will be parried.

    Vanish does not remove any conditions on the rogue save for roots/snares. There is no ability in the rogue's arsenal that removes bleeds; Cloak of Shadows only removes spell (non-physical) effects. You will be knocked out of stealth.

    Blind can be trinketed.

    Evasion generates overpower procs. Overpower cannot be dodged.

    Your best option is to get behind him & stun. Blow shadowstep to do it if stunning him means survival.

    Better yet: Shadowstep and stun him after he trinkets your blind. If you don't have shadowstep, go home.
    Last edited by AwdBawl; 2012-12-16 at 09:22 AM.

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    I usually shadowstep > disarm when a warrior uses die by the sword + offensives. Then I try and and get behind to kidney, which most warriors will trinket. Then blind.

    It's better to save your blind for after trinket because you can drop combat + bleeds allowing you to restealth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nirafu View Post
    Why?
    Reminds me of bublewings retadins a couple of years ago.
    (it's sweet, i cant stop the warrior while he's vigorously pounding my butt)

    PD: Playing rogue.
    A warrior is going to vigorously pound your butt regardless of Die by the Sword rogue.

    Anywho, just:

    -Dance a Cheap Shot
    -ShS a Kidney
    -Blind
    -ShS a Dismantle

    There's still more you could do.

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    Can't parry from behind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speaknoevil View Post
    A warrior is going to vigorously pound your butt regardless of Die by the Sword rogue.

    Anywho, just:

    -Dance a Cheap Shot
    -ShS a Kidney
    -Blind
    -ShS a Dismantle

    There's still more you could do.
    Having to rely on Shadowstep to successfully land a stun or disarm from behind because of server latency is exactly what is wrong. You won't have any form of mobility to avoid getting kited by the warrior if he needs to do so in order to heal with Second Wind.

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    Yeah, I agree. It is very similar to Ret paladins using bubble (with no damage reduction) and wings in Wotlk.

    All they need to do is not let them use Reck with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyc81991 View Post
    Yeah, I agree. It is very similar to Ret paladins using bubble (with no damage reduction) and wings in Wotlk.

    All they need to do is not let them use Reck with it.
    As someone who plays both warror and rogue I can say that not being able to handle Die By the Sword is a L2P issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inboundpaper View Post
    Can't parry from behind.
    What he said, use combat readiness, vanish, evasion and he probably won't kill you, and shadowstep disarm is also a good idea as someone mentioned. Trinket shockwave if you're in danger of dying with his cooldowns up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speaknoevil View Post
    As someone who plays both warror and rogue I can say that not being able to handle Die By the Sword is a L2P issue.
    100% chance to disarm if target is stunned.

    sooo you can either shadowdance cheap shot or kidney then dismantle, as a warrior, i just warbriner 3 sec stun, to disarm, when that falls off i shockwave, then safeguard. but if i'm in a root, i safeguard then shockwave, to disarm, to warbringer stun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speaknoevil View Post
    As someone who plays both warror and rogue I can say that not being able to handle Die By the Sword is a L2P issue.
    You are totally missing the point. Warriors can just stack Cd's and it makes them invincible. In Wotlk Ret could use bubble with no loss to damage and use wings at the same time. That kind of stacking of cd's was and still is Op and warriors need to be adressed in that manner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyc81991 View Post
    You are totally missing the point. Warriors can just stack Cd's and it makes them invincible. In Wotlk Ret could use bubble with no loss to damage and use wings at the same time. That kind of stacking of cd's was and still is Op and warriors need to be adressed in that manner.
    Bubble+Wing was nerfed because it allowed the paladin to burst while being immune to everything, control, damage, peel, anything.
    Die by the sword doesnt make you immune to control, not even to damage, it's a 20% mitigation CD that was solely created to allow warrior to pop something defensive while being aggressive

    Now warriors are still OP right now, but that's clearny not because of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gangresnake View Post
    Bubble+Wing was nerfed because it allowed the paladin to burst while being immune to everything, control, damage, peel, anything.
    Die by the sword doesnt make you immune to control, not even to damage, it's a 20% mitigation CD that was solely created to allow warrior to pop something defensive while being aggressive

    Now warriors are still OP right now, but that's clearny not because of that.
    Wizard comps outshine warrior teams with equal skill players.

    Warriors are not OP.

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    there's still a min distance on charge right?
    and leap?

    run, outside of melee range, but inside charge range,
    if you are good it is very doable
    if he leaps away sprint other direction to get out of max charge range?

    other stuff mentioned works also.

    evasion at start of duel before he has rage for overpowers? can't land hits to gen more rage?
    idk how it works atm....thinking of warriors way way back when, most likely different now, lmk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AwdBawl View Post
    Better yet: Shadowstep and stun him after he trinkets your blind. If you don't have shadowstep, go home.
    Go home because with prep you won the duel already, right?

    Now, shadowstep is good, and serves a purpose. And rogues aren't fine right now. THAT BEING SAID, this was about a 1v1, RIGHT?

    If you think shadowstep beats prep because it lands a stun, you are forgetting that VANISH lands a stun that can't be parried, and also burns a couple seconds off of whatever is going on (aka, open after a second or two, not immediately). Great, now we have mostly covered that extra KS that you otherwise would have had to step for.

    Lets talk about what else prep buys you. First, you get a second sprint. This is actually useful, because when you are both equally snared, sprint will let you 5-8 kite if you need a few seconds. It's not that great though. Second, it buys you double evasion, which is friggin hot. Third, it buys you double cloak WHICH YOU HAVE GLYPHED RIGHT, IN A DUEL WITH A WARRIOR YOU GLYPH THAT RIGHT. Fourth, that vanish could actually be used otherwise. For instance, if a warrior is blowing stuff, you can try shiving a paralytic and walking away, or you can use sprint to generate a wee bit of extra speed to land a kidney by walking through the warrior.


    Not saying step is bad, but if you are dueling a warrior, prep is your main thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speaknoevil View Post
    Wizard comps outshine warrior teams with equal skill players.

    Warriors are not OP.
    Just open world of wargraph, check the top of any ladder or play 10 game above 2k2
    Warriors are still massively overpowered.

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    Cloak of Shadows?

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