UK-Wide Government Porn Ban Fails! (First Attempt)

[Surfd]

someone please explain to me why children need to be "protected" from porn? Is it going to reach through the monitor and assault them or something? It's fucking sex. Something that most of them will discover naturally at some point in their lives. I mean, what next, government motions to protect kids from finding out that they will eventually die? Heaven forbid your kid discover something important about the basic functions of being human.

[Eats Compost]

Protecting your children from things you don't want to see is very easy at the user end. There is no reason for this to be done at the provider's end.

Don't give your kids unfettered access to the internet and then complain when they find something nasty.

---------- Post added 2012-12-16 at 03:24 PM ----------

someone please explain to me why children need to be "protected" from porn? Is it going to reach through the monitor and assault them or something? It's fucking sex. Something that most of them will discover naturally at some point in their lives. I mean, what next, government motions to protect kids from finding out that they will eventually die? Heaven forbid your kid discover something important about the basic functions of being human.

Most commercial porn gives off an incredibly misleading image of sex. There is a legitimate case to be made that it's not a good thing for children to see, especially if it's their first experience and acts as their education. To say that "it's just sex" is a gross oversimplification. I'm still against a provider-end filter, but what you just said reeks of willful ignorance.

[Arkenaw]

Protecting your children from things you don't want to see is very easy at the user end. There is no reason for this to be done at the provider's end.

Don't give your kids unfettered access to the internet and then complain when they find something nasty.

---------- Post added 2012-12-16 at 03:24 PM ----------



Most commercial porn gives an incredibly misleading image of sex. There is a legitimate case to be made that it's not a good thing for children to see, especially if it's their first experience and acts as their education. To say that "it's just sex" is a gross oversimplification. I'm still against a provider-end filter, but what you just said reeks of willful ignorance.

Oh, well we'd better put giant censors over every single image of women in magazines, TV's and billboards, cause we don't want our children to get misleading images!

[Eats Compost]

Oh, well we'd better put giant censors over every single image of women in magazines, TV's and billboards, cause we don't want our children to get misleading images!

Children are exposed to real people and real adults every day. Children are not exposed to real sex every day. That's the issue. When the only example of sex a kid has to go by is from porn, it's a damaging learning experience.

Also, those images of women in magazines, on TV and on billboards do cause problems. Things like bulimia, and other issues of self-worth, can and do spawn from them. I won't advocate censorship, but don't pretend that a misleading image is harmless. Speaking of which, I explicitly said that I don't support censorship - why are you mentioning it?

[Fedelesa]

Nooooooo the best option to pritect children is for the adults who WANT CHILDREN to pull their head out of their backside, take some responsibility for their OWN kid and do one of three things;

1. If you want kids and don't want them to look at porn........DON'T GIVE THEM A COMPUTER/SMART PHONE
2. If 1 isn't an option, give them a computer where you can clearly see them using it and specific times.
3. Put YOUR OWN parental blocks which ALL computers come with these days on

OR don't have kids/shut up about them looking at porn! You 'opted-in' for having kids, NOT ME and not a lot of people in the UK so how about you sort your own household out and keep your busy-body noses out of other peoples lives.

Where's the Like button...MMO-C needs to add a Like button.

However this is it right here.

/thread imo

[Deleted]

LOL. The best option to protect children is for their parents to be, oh I don't know, involved with their children's lives.

This is so true.

And btw i do not have a problem with kids having access to porn. hell i grow up watching porn since i was 4 or something, would sneak in my uncles room to play supermario and found some porn magazines and VHS and later DVDs.

I didnt grow up to be a fucked up retarded idiot that has no respect for woman.

[Seranthor]

*snip*

Wow... I have to say I'm against banning most things, however, there are those that say porn is harmful to kids. Do I agree, no. BUT, Lots of folks DO. I sure hope y'all dont end up losing the right and freedom to enjoy your porn.

[Deleted]

I don't get why people think children need to be protected from porn. It's not like porn makes you evil or something, it's THE natural thing recorded and edited, so what? I mean I understand some movies are adult only, such that involve much violence, but who gets hurt in porn?

[Rotted]

LOL. The best option to protect children is for their parents to be, oh I don't know, involved with their children's lives.

Exactly this, there are numerous amounts of protection people can use to stop their kids looking at porn,

Hell even when I was a kid, I wasn't allowed my own computer until I was 16, even then every so often my folks would just check the history etc.

okay there are ways around it, but not every tom dick and harry knows how to cover their tracks

This is the same argument with alcohol, why the fuck should the price go up affecting me, because kids are buying cheap cider

[Frozenbeef]

1. porn isn't illigeal or wrong.
2. Not everyone who uses the internet is a child and no adult would want to be humiliated by phoning up their isp saying they want to masturbate.
3. They should be better parents and monitor their children's internet usage (same with tv) rather than sitting them in front of it and expecting them to be ok.

[drwelfare]

Oh, well we'd better put giant censors over every single image of women in magazines, TV's and billboards, cause we don't want our children to get misleading images!

If you go to some stores they have covers over all but the tops of certain magazines, not porn ones but one with any suggestive photo.

[Deleted]

Wouldn't have worked even if this went through. Wasn't long ago they blocked TPB for a lot of UK ISP's, but it was a domian block, so all you had to do was type in the IP of TPB and you would have access, if not that, any proxy would have worked.

[Ayonel]

So the logic here is: I'm a crappy parent so I want to give away other people's privacy to save me the trouble of monitoring my childrens' activity.

I know, let's require all people to publicly register all of the types of Internet content that they want access to. And let's be specific, so that you can look up that Joe Smith from Brighton has enabled firearms, sports cars, gay porn, vegetable gardening, and video game web sites. The government probably already knows this information, your ISP definitely does, so what the heck, let's publish it for all to see.

ETA: By the way, there is a really simple solution to this problem. If people didn't buy the product, it would cease to exist. The porn companies aren't staying in business based on the kids sneaking a peak when their parents are out. They are staying in business because the parents are buying the products. Somebody is, anyway. Lots of somebodies.

[checking facts]

as a furious fapper, I say no

[semaphore]

I don't get why people think children need to be protected from porn. It's not like porn makes you evil or something, it's THE natural thing recorded and edited, so what? I mean I understand some movies are adult only, such that involve much violence, but who gets hurt in porn?

But it isn't. It's usually not really what real sex is like. I mean, I love porn, and this this proposal is stupid, but porn is generally specifically produced and marketed. Almost never the natural thing at all.

[drwelfare]

someone please explain to me why children need to be "protected" from porn? Is it going to reach through the monitor and assault them or something? It's fucking sex. Something that most of them will discover naturally at some point in their lives. I mean, what next, government motions to protect kids from finding out that they will eventually die? Heaven forbid your kid discover something important about the basic functions of being human.

The state already will sentence you to years in prison if you have any porn where someone under 18 can gain access to it, this includes videos, magazines, or content on computer. So if you went in your dad's shoe box of VHS pornos and watched one he could have become a felon and sex offender.

[Shiny212]

Yeah..good luck with blocking 2/3rds of the internet

[Adam Jensen]

Can one of the four people who voted yes tell me what the harm is in looking at a pair of bare tits?

Is there a reason why a parent can't teach a child about such things in a responsible manner? Is there a reason why the government should be involved in what should be a parenting issue?

[Adam Jensen]

I'm all for protecting children, but blocking porn at ISP's just isn't the way to go. That affects more people than it should do, and that's never a good solution. A good halfway solution would be for ISP's to phone customers asking if they want it blocked or not, and then checking back perhaps once per year (though provide the customer with the means to request their status to be changed at any time). If it's too much for current call centers to handle, then we also just created a lot of new jobs as well.

Just put the responsibility on the buyer. The buyer calls the ISP and asks for porn to be blocked and the ISP does so.

That way everyone is happy. The buyers who don't want to see porn get it blocked and those who want their porn can get it. And the best part is, those who want the porn get it by default and therefore don't have to embarrass themselves by calling their ISP and asking permission to fap.

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

How about shipping routers with a check box for blocking access to pornographic sites (i.e. the .xxx TLD and various known porn websites) that is PIN protected? People wanting to unblock those sites would just need to enter a PIN and un-tick the box. The PIN would be created by the user when the router is first set up or when it is reset to factory defaults before entering the ISP access data.

Would be a simple firmware update (relatively cheap to implement), doesn't encroach on anybody's privacy, doesn't require any embarrassing phone calls to a call centre in New Delhi etc.

Anyway, what happened to TALKING TO YOUR KIDS?