View Poll Results: Do you Support Assault Weapons Ban?

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    2,114 61.74%
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  1. #7561
    Quote Originally Posted by FusedMass View Post
    This is exactly the reason I used quotes from Ronald Reagan a superior Republican that many still worship to this day. Because anyone who wants anything to do with assault weapons being banned must be a Liberal? case and point my example showed even Republican President's have praised the idea of gun control. It's not a party issue when both sides of President have expressed support for it.


    My quoting of Ronald Began becomes invalid and void once people stop assuming everyone who wants any type of Gun Control is a Liberal.
    Fuck your assault weapons ban.

    You can come up with no good reason to ban them.

    They're used in only an incredibly small portion of violent crime.

    If you want to address gun violence, you go after the people who use the guns. Leave the millions of us who are at no risk of violent crime alone.

    This talk of banning certain guns makes me want to go buy an AR-15 just because fuck the hippies.

  2. #7562
    Quote Originally Posted by FusedMass View Post
    This is exactly the reason I used quotes from Ronald Reagan a superior Republican that many still worship to this day. Because anyone who wants anything to do with assault weapons being banned must be a Liberal? case and point my example showed even Republican President's have praised the idea of gun control. It's not a party issue when both sides of President have expressed support for it.


    My quoting of Ronald Began becomes invalid and void once people stop assuming everyone who wants any type of Gun Control is a Liberal.
    How many times does it have to be said? Reagan was wrong and in this case, has a liberal mindset about it. I don't worship the guy, hell, I don't even identify as a republican. Reagan was not a god

    Quote Originally Posted by Laize View Post
    Fuck your assault weapons ban.

    You can come up with no good reason to ban them.

    They're used in only an incredibly small portion of violent crime.

    If you want to address gun violence, you go after the people who use the guns. Leave the millions of us who are at no risk of violent crime alone.

    This talk of banning certain guns makes me want to go buy an AR-15 just because fuck the hippies.
    YOU are a god!
    Last edited by Rocko9; 2013-01-28 at 03:49 AM.

  3. #7563
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocko9 View Post
    How many times does it have to be said? Reagan was wrong and in this case, has a liberal mindset about it. I don't worship the guy, hell, I don't even identify as a republican. Reagan was not a god
    And this shows how much the right has shifted even further right in the past 30 years, while demanding everyone else do only what they want.

    Hooray!

  4. #7564
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhapunch09 View Post
    Meanwhile, our economy stays in the toilet, the deficit continues to rise, and the divide of our nation grows while useless POS politicians like the Neo-Nazi Feinstein pushes her personal agenda. It's time to tell these rich jerks to quit with the useless dog and pony sideshows and get to work on the real needs of this country. All this gun control #$%$, of which nothing real will get done, is just sleight of hand to avoid the real issues.
    If it makes bleeding hearts feel like they did something then to some its worth it.

    A bunch of kids died and they can't waste an opportunity like that, our real problems be damned.

  5. #7565
    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    And this shows how much the right has shifted even further right in the past 30 years, while demanding everyone else do only what they want.

    Hooray!
    I don't want people to do what I want, people should do what is right by the Constitution

  6. #7566
    Quote Originally Posted by Laize View Post
    Fuck your assault weapons ban.

    You can come up with no good reason to ban them.

    They're used in only an incredibly small portion of violent crime.

    If you want to address gun violence, you go after the people who use the guns. Leave the millions of us who are at no risk of violent crime alone.

    This talk of banning certain guns makes me want to go buy an AR-15 just because fuck the hippies.
    Oh ouch your harsh vulgar words are cutting me like knifes please make it stop..

    You remind me of that Gun Owners that Piers was doing an interview and this Pro Gun guy went off on a complete rant about the Gov trying to take our weapons. He was only on there for a small amount of time before they kicked him off the set. In reality people like you who do not use logic or have no decent counter argument besides saying screw you..is nothing new.

    Actually in truth the most un-stable the person appears to be and the more aggressive much like you are. It only feeds into the narrative that some Gun Owners should not be owning weapons like AR-15 just their personality and entire attitude about the situation nicely feeds into the stereotype they have created for themselves.

    If people like this like to insult Liberals and call the hippies then I see no reason with I use quotes from Ronald Reagan. Perhaps if people did not use this type of wording it would make my counter arugment invalid sadly people like this only make it stronger that owning weapons for everyone mentally may not be the best healthy of thing

  7. #7567
    Quote Originally Posted by Sicarus View Post
    And you took my entire post completely out of context by selectively picking apart my entire post.

    REGULATED BACK THEN MEANT TRAINED, NOT REGULATED AS IN THE REGULATION OR LIMITING OF. THEY WERE NEVER IN FAVOR OF REGULATION.

    SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED is where it says gun regulation isn't allowed.

    You sure do have trouble reading everything when it doesn't suit you, don't you?

    No, you have no rights when you decide to give them up for "security" of the regulation/banning of guns.

    Wells, how about this, you have the right to free speech, correct? Now what if we regulated your speech, by modifying your vocal cords, you still have the right to speak, but what you can say is regulated.

    If you don't understand this, then you need to attend a class or something to deal with your anger/ignorance.
    So let me get this straight. When it says regulated it doesn't mean regulated. And when it says militia its really not talking about the militia. But when it says shall not be infringed it means I can own any weapon ever.

    This doesn't seem like selective interpretation at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocko9 View Post
    I don't want people to do what I want, people should do what is right by the Constitution
    I would hope that those who are pushing gun rights on the grounds of preventing a loss of liberty would also be for pushing marriage equality on the grounds of expanding liberty. This is an issue that has bothered me with the conservatives pushing against this bill. Not to say that you fall under this banner, but in general, I see people who seem to fall under the "I fight for the rights that I want" mentality.

  9. #7569
    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    And this shows how much the right has shifted even further right in the past 30 years, while demanding everyone else do only what they want.

    Hooray!
    Excuse me, but no republican is beholden to agree with everything Reagan ever said.

    Even former president Clinton readily admits the assault weapons ban did absolutely nothing. Why the hell would anyone try it again?

  10. #7570
    Quote Originally Posted by FusedMass View Post
    Oh ouch your harsh vulgar words are cutting me like knifes please make it stop..

    You remind me of that Gun Owners that Piers was doing an interview and this Pro Gun guy went off on a complete rant about the Gov trying to take our weapons. He was only on there for a small amount of time before they kicked him off the set. In reality people like you who do not use logic or have no decent counter argument besides saying screw you..is nothing new.

    Actually in truth the most un-stable the person appears to be and the more aggressive much like you are. It only feeds into the narrative that some Gun Owners should not be owning weapons like AR-15 just their personality and entire attitude about the situation nicely feeds into the stereotype they have created for themselves.

    If people like this like to insult Liberals and call the hippies then I see no reason with I use quotes from Ronald Reagan. Perhaps if people did not use this type of wording it would make my counter arugment invalid sadly people like this only make it stronger that owning weapons for everyone mentally may not be the best healthy of thing
    Except, you don't want anyone to own semi-autos. Also, Piers is a hack. Seriously, stop worshiping CNN.

    ---------- Post added 2013-01-27 at 10:55 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Grokan View Post
    I would hope that those who are pushing gun rights on the grounds of preventing a loss of liberty would also be for pushing marriage equality on the grounds of expanding liberty. This is an issue that has bothered me with the conservatives pushing against this bill. Not to say that you fall under this banner, but in general, I see people who seem to fall under the "I fight for the rights that I want" mentality.
    Many people on both "sides" are like that. Its quite sad.

    ---------- Post added 2013-01-27 at 10:56 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    So let me get this straight. When it says regulated it doesn't mean regulated. And when it says militia its really not talking about the militia. But when it says shall not be infringed it means I can own any weapon ever.

    This doesn't seem like selective interpretation at all.
    Are you saying they are wrong? That the means of words can't, and in this situation haven't changed at all?
    When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind.

  11. #7571
    Quote Originally Posted by Laize View Post
    Excuse me, but no republican is beholden to agree with everything Reagan ever said.

    Even former president Clinton readily admits the assault weapons ban did absolutely nothing. Why the hell would anyone try it again?
    Who cares what Reagan said!

    Look at what Clinton said!

  12. #7572
    Quote Originally Posted by Laize View Post
    Excuse me, but no republican is beholden to agree with everything Reagan ever said.

    Even former president Clinton readily admits the assault weapons ban did absolutely nothing. Why the hell would anyone try it again?
    I didn't say you were. I'm saying for years Reagan was held as everything a republican should be. I know someone I work with that actually has a shrine to him. Meanwhile, he actually worked with the left to get stuff done. But now he is a RINO because he isn't republican enough? Are you kidding me?

  13. #7573
    Warning: People need to chill out.

  14. #7574
    Quote Originally Posted by FusedMass View Post
    Oh ouch your harsh vulgar words are cutting me like knifes please make it stop..

    You remind me of that Gun Owners that Piers was doing an interview and this Pro Gun guy went off on a complete rant about the Gov trying to take our weapons. He was only on there for a small amount of time before they kicked him off the set. In reality people like you who do not use logic or have no decent counter argument besides saying screw you..is nothing new.

    Actually in truth the most un-stable the person appears to be and the more aggressive much like you are. It only feeds into the narrative that some Gun Owners should not be owning weapons like AR-15 just their personality and entire attitude about the situation nicely feeds into the stereotype they have created for themselves.

    If people like this like to insult Liberals and call the hippies then I see no reason with I use quotes from Ronald Reagan. Perhaps if people did not use this type of wording it would make my counter arugment invalid sadly people like this only make it stronger that owning weapons for everyone mentally may not be the best healthy of thing
    I think you're misunderstanding what "logic" actually is in this discussion.

    Logic involves looking at history (The assault weapons ban that was already in place in the 90s), seeing how it worked (protip: it did jack shit) and deciding whether to do it again (we shouldn't).

    What the hell does anyone hope to accomplish with this ban?

    The logic against banning certain types of guns is sound. You don't abridge a constitutional right just because you see no reason said right should extend to some subset of that right.

    That's like if you said "Well yeah, the first amendment protects your freedom of speech... but why does anyone need to talk in public about how much they hate black people?"

    If you want to abridge a constitutional right you need a DAMN fucking good reason to do so and it is not on us to prove we somehow need it.

    The burden is ontologically yours to prove the benefits of banning certain weapons outweigh the costs of abridging our right.

  15. #7575
    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    I didn't say you were. I'm saying for years Reagan was held as everything a republican should be. I know someone I work with that actually has a shrine to him. Meanwhile, he actually worked with the left to get stuff done. But now he is a RINO because he isn't republican enough? Are you kidding me?
    Because he is held in high regard by many, we should hang on and obey every word he said?
    When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind.

  16. #7576
    Quote Originally Posted by Laize View Post
    Excuse me, but no republican is beholden to agree with everything Reagan ever said.

    Even former president Clinton readily admits the assault weapons ban did absolutely nothing. Why the hell would anyone try it again?
    Pretty much I'd reply into detail the Irony of you not caring what a person was considered the highest regarded President in the Republican Party to this very day people still care people to him when they're running for President and your mirror view about something a Liberal said is highly strange.

    So I should not care what Ronald said but I SHOULD care what Bill said. Your logic is strange to me. However other posters have already jumped on to this. It's simple if he agreed what you said. You would repeat it just like I have. It only matters what someone said when their supporting your own argument. That is very odd.

  17. #7577
    Quote Originally Posted by FusedMass View Post
    Pretty much I'd reply into detail the Irony of you not caring what a person was considered the highest regarded President in the Republican Party to this very day people still care people to him when they're running for President and your mirror view about something a Liberal said is highly strange.

    So I should not care what Ronald said but I SHOULD care what Bill said. Your logic is strange to me. However other posters have already jumped on to this. It's simple if he agreed what you said. You would repeat it just like I have. It only matters what someone said when their supporting your own argument. That is very odd.
    Enough of this pussyfooting around.

    Give me a single good reason we should ban assault weapons or whatever it is you want to ban.

    The burden is on you to prove the benefits of banning certain weapons outweigh the costs. It's not on me to prove I need 100 rounds in a magazine.

  18. #7578
    Quote Originally Posted by FusedMass View Post
    Pretty much I'd reply into detail the Irony of you not caring what a person was considered the highest regarded President in the Republican Party to this very day people still care people to him when they're running for President and your mirror view about something a Liberal said is highly strange.

    So I should not care what Ronald said but I SHOULD care what Bill said. Your logic is strange to me. However other posters have already jumped on to this. It's simple if he agreed what you said. You would repeat it just like I have. It only matters what someone said when their supporting your own argument. That is very odd.
    OMG the irony and hypocrisy here. The logic is this: If you think that we should follow what one president said, why not also another? The point is, its silly to hang on every word a president ever said.
    When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind.

  19. #7579
    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post
    Because he is held in high regard by many, we should hang on and obey every word he said?
    No, I'm saying I find it odd that this guy said that he didn't even view Reagan as a Republican. First time I'd heard Reagan described as a RINO

  20. #7580
    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    No, I'm saying I find it odd that this guy said that he didn't even view Reagan as a Republican. First time I'd heard Reagan described as a RINO
    From what you quoted, he was just stating that just because people hold him in high regard, doesn't mean he is never wrong or that those people can't disagree with some things he was in favor of or said.
    When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind.

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