View Poll Results: Do you Support Assault Weapons Ban?

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  1. #13261
    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    *cough*:

    Might want to re-read that section, Fused.



    The rules for passing a Constitutional Amendment are in place. There's an almost non-existent chance that such an Amendment would pass in the current day, of course, but the method is there.

    People assumed the same about ObamaCare. They're repeating the same thing about its chances of passing. Yet behold it did. What sort of witch craft is that. Oh that's right, we don't decide they do, and we can predict the outcome to say one of the outcome is absolute is a flat out lie.

    Perhaps you should re-read dangerous and unusual weapons. Then check to see if the court ever considered an assault weapon something that falls under that. The actual truth is it's very possible that they would ban the weapon, just as it's easily as possible they don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FusedMass View Post
    People assumed the same about ObamaCare. They're repeating the same thing about its chances of passing. Yet behold it did. What sort of witch craft is that. Oh that's right, we don't decide they do, and we can predict the outcome to say one of the outcome is absolute is a flat out lie.

    Perhaps you should re-read dangerous and unusual weapons. Then check to see if the court ever considered an assault weapon something that falls under that. The actual truth is it's very possible that they would ban the weapon, just as it's easily as possible they don't.
    You're right, we can predict what they'll do. They won't pass this ban.

  3. #13263
    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzly Willy View Post
    You're right, we can predict what they'll do. They won't pass this ban.
    I'm screen shoting this. If the measure is ever passed. You're comments will be my new signature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzly Willy View Post
    You're right, we can predict what they'll do. They won't pass this ban.
    Here's hoping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davendwarf View Post
    Here's hoping.
    I know Republicans sure as hell wouldn't vote for it, and I want to say that I remember hearing that a number of Democrats aren't likely to pass it because they don't want to piss of their constituency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FusedMass View Post
    I'm screen shoting this. If the measure is ever passed. You're comments will be my new signature.
    Protip: You don't need to screenshot it. It's already pasted in your reply.
    It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FusedMass View Post
    I'm screen shoting this. If the measure is ever passed. You're comments will be my new signature.
    Go ahead. Will be the third time somebody made a signature out of a quote from me.

  8. #13268
    Quote Originally Posted by Deadvolcanoes View Post
    Protip: You don't need to screenshot it. It's already pasted in your reply.
    I don't feel like digging through weeks old posts to find this single post, a year from now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FusedMass View Post
    People assumed the same about ObamaCare. They're repeating the same thing about its chances of passing. Yet behold it did. What sort of witch craft is that. Oh that's right, we don't decide they do, and we can predict the outcome to say one of the outcome is absolute is a flat out lie.

    Perhaps you should re-read dangerous and unusual weapons. Then check to see if the court ever considered an assault weapon something that falls under that. The actual truth is it's very possible that they would ban the weapon, just as it's easily as possible they don't.
    Le sigh.

    Fused, I was trying to point out that it had already been pointed out that a complete firearms ban would require a Constitutional Amendment repealing the 2nd Amendment. The process for Amending the Constitution requires a 2/3 majority vote in both chambers of Congress (not just a simple majority), and then it would need to be ratified by 3/4 of the states.

    I think it's safe to say that it's not going to happen in the foreseeable future.

  10. #13270
    Quote Originally Posted by FusedMass View Post
    I don't feel like digging through weeks old posts to find this single post, a year from now.
    I'm confused by how screenshotting is different in effort level from bookmarking.

  11. #13271
    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    Le sigh.

    Fused, I was trying to point out that it had already been pointed out that a complete firearms ban would require a Constitutional Amendment repealing the 2nd Amendment. The process for Amending the Constitution requires a 2/3 majority vote in both chambers of Congress (not just a simple majority), and then it would need to be ratified by 3/4 of the states.

    I think it's safe to say that it's not going to happen in the foreseeable future.
    We're not talking about banning all weapons. The 2nd amendment provides protection for hand guns which is legally defined as for self defense. However this is targeted at certain weapons, for certain reasons. One of which seem's to be the number one firearm for mass killers. I will not get into that debate. You are mis-interpreting what I said on what will pass.

    Furthermore the 2nd amendment does not protect against both dangerous and usual weapons that would put it just outside the scope to be protected. You see the supreme court has this cool thing, if federal and state law clash or for almost any reason you can have them hear the case and then they solely would decide if an assault weapons falls under self defense.

    If not, then is it both dangerous and unsual. If so. We have a ban to against these weapons and it would be upheld. You are massively missing my point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    I'm confused by how screenshotting is different in effort level from bookmarking.
    Easy, Personal preference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FusedMass View Post
    The 2nd amendment provides protection for hand guns which is legally defined as for self defense. However this is targeted at certain weapons, for certain reasons. One of which seem's to be the number one firearm for mass killers. I will not get into that debate. You are mis-interpreting what I said on what will pass.
    Which just happens to be handguns. Heh.

  13. #13273
    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini Sunrise View Post
    Which just happens to be handguns. Heh.
    We cannot focus on hand guns no matter what. Period. The court's already decided.

    However.

    They never decided on an assault weapon which isn't a hand gun..the measure would be an exception for hand gun owners but not assault weapons owner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FusedMass View Post
    We cannot focus on hand guns no matter what. Period. The court's already decided.

    However.

    They never decided on an assault weapon which isn't a hand gun..the measure would be an exception for hand gun owners but not assault weapons owner.
    You said number one. Assault weapons aren't number one. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by FusedMass View Post
    We cannot focus on hand guns no matter what. Period. The court's already decided.

    However.

    They never decided on an assault weapon which isn't a hand gun..the measure would be an exception for hand gun owners but not assault weapons owner.
    Uhhhhhhhhh... The hell is this supposed to mean? I really don't understand what you are getting at here, and it hurts my eyes besides.

  16. #13276
    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzly Willy View Post
    You said number one. Assault weapons aren't number one. :P
    that was quite clever of you. However I said mass murders, as in the most people in shortest amount of time. I know that hand guns are leading cause but it wouldn't hurt to take up the case on assault weapons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FusedMass View Post
    that was quite clever of you. However I said mass murders, as in the most people in shortest amount of time. I know that hand guns are leading cause but it wouldn't hurt to take up the case on assault weapons.
    Yeah, it actually would.

    All this legislation is doing is the equivalent of taking out your dick and pissing on a forest fire. While it might make you feel good, it does next to nothing for the actual problem.

  18. #13278
    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini Sunrise View Post
    Uhhhhhhhhh... The hell is this supposed to mean? I really don't understand what you are getting at here, and it hurts my eyes besides.
    Hand Guns cannot be banned.

    Assault weapons could MAYBE be banned.

    If it's defined by the court as both dangerous and usual. It's just that simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini Sunrise View Post
    Yeah, it actually would. All this legislation is doing is the equivalent of taking out your dick and pissing on a forest fire.
    In you're opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FusedMass View Post

    In you're opinion.
    Nah, the facts say so. Handguns are the number one weapon used by mass killers. So, obviously, Washington will target something that is used in a scant few. Because that is just how they roll.

  20. #13280
    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini Sunrise View Post
    Nah, the facts say so. Handguns are the number one weapon used by mass killers. So, obviously, Washington will target something that is used in a scant few. Because that is just how they roll.
    Again you mis-interpet my point.

    Even if hand guns was the top killer in the world. It does not matter they are protected no matter what.

    However an assault weapon is separate

    from a hand gun. It does not have equal protection.

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