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  1. #18781
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    Quote Originally Posted by belfpala View Post
    It isn't zero yet.
    You say that like it's a valid argument.
    "The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." --Albert Einstein

    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Why would I hold an opinion of something I have absolutely no clue about? That's kind of a dumb thing to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by belfpala View Post
    It isn't zero yet.
    Is it where guns are banned/heavily regulated?

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    Yeah, Rhandric is right, as usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roxinius View Post
    even with any type of gun control it will never be zero so keep dreaming gun ownership went up and gun crime came down
    But if you held all other corollaries constant, a heavy handed national gun registry and procurement controls and hoops would force gun purchases go down, making the price of black market firearms skyrocket because it would be forced to steal guns from law abiding people more often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belfpala View Post
    It isn't zero yet.
    It never will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eiffeltower View Post
    Make the gun seller 50% responsible for any harm caused by the gun, and watch gun crime and circulation numbers drop like the boxer in snake eyes.
    Yeah, thats not going to happen but its cute.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eiffeltower View Post
    They wouldn't sell it to anyone, and would need to provide training amd mental health checks etc. Both parties would have to work very hard to obtain a gun, second amendment untouched, and your kids also get to stay alive.
    Unless the crazy guy decides to use a bomb. But if a gun wasn't used that makes it ok right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daelak View Post
    But if you held all other corollaries constant, a heavy handed national gun registry and procurement controls and hoops would force gun purchases go down, making the price of black market firearms skyrocket because it would be forced to steal guns from law abiding people more often.
    Why do people keep saying this kind of garbage? The whole concept of "trickle down gun control" is so backwards its ridiculous.

    sarcasm/

    You know, criminals love to steal money and expensive things, then use them to fund a criminal empire. So maybe we should ban expendable capital. Force everyone in the country to work for minimum wage. That would keep people from being able to afford any kind of luxury, or even have spare cash in their wallets. Who'd rob a house when all they can get is some TP? Who'd mug a person if all they can get is food stamps? Isn't that a great way to reduce crime?

    /sarcasm

    You don't punish the law-abiding just so that it might, some day, have some tangential negative effect on the criminal element of society.
    "The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." --Albert Einstein

    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Why would I hold an opinion of something I have absolutely no clue about? That's kind of a dumb thing to do.
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    Ignorance when coupled with arrogance is a natural disaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post

    You don't punish the law-abiding just so that it might, some day, have some tangential negative effect on the criminal element of society.
    This law abiding person doesn't consider taking your guns away to be a punishment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by belfpala View Post
    This law abiding person doesn't consider taking your guns away to be a punishment.
    Do you think you speak for everyone?
    "The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." --Albert Einstein

    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Why would I hold an opinion of something I have absolutely no clue about? That's kind of a dumb thing to do.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaxi View Post
    Ignorance when coupled with arrogance is a natural disaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belfpala View Post
    This law abiding person doesn't consider taking your guns away to be a punishment.
    Wow just wow. And I though nobody could make worse arguments for the pro-control side than Fusedmass did.
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    This law abiding person doesn't consider taking your guns away to be a punishment.
    Quote Originally Posted by JfmC View Post
    someone who disagrees with me is simply wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belfpala View Post
    This law abiding person doesn't consider taking your guns away to be a punishment.
    What's next, law abiding citizens don't consider forcing you to be locked in padded rooms for life to be a punishment, as it's the only way to prevent absolutely all crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryngo Blackratchet View Post
    Yeah, Rhandric is right, as usual.

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    This law abiding person doesn't consider taking your guns away to be a punishment.
    This law abiding citizen is happy that your opinion is just that - YOUR opinion.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jevlin
    Why? Because fuck you, that's why.

    Every time you have a question that begins with "Why?" that is about what other people prefer to do with their own goddamn time, come back here, and reread the first row of this post. That will ALWAYS be the answer to your question. Have a nice day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    Why do people keep saying this kind of garbage? The whole concept of "trickle down gun control" is so backwards its ridiculous.

    sarcasm/

    You know, criminals love to steal money and expensive things, then use them to fund a criminal empire. So maybe we should ban expendable capital. Force everyone in the country to work for minimum wage. That would keep people from being able to afford any kind of luxury, or even have spare cash in their wallets. Who'd rob a house when all they can get is some TP? Who'd mug a person if all they can get is food stamps? Isn't that a great way to reduce crime?

    /sarcasm

    You don't punish the law-abiding just so that it might, some day, have some tangential negative effect on the criminal element of society.
    Even though there is data from other nations that show lower amount of guns in circulation, both legal and black market, equals less gun related incidents?

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    Even though there is data from other nations that show lower amount of guns in circulation, both legal and black market, equals less gun related incidents?
    You do realize that the US has seen a dramatic increase in the number of guns in circulation, as well as an all time low in the number of gun related crimes?

    Number of guns =/= crime rate.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jevlin
    Why? Because fuck you, that's why.

    Every time you have a question that begins with "Why?" that is about what other people prefer to do with their own goddamn time, come back here, and reread the first row of this post. That will ALWAYS be the answer to your question. Have a nice day.

  14. #18794
    Quote Originally Posted by Daelak View Post
    Even though there is data from other nations that show lower amount of guns in circulation, both legal and black market, equals less gun related incidents?
    And the number of gun related incidents in the US have gone down in the last 20 years by the same amount as Australia, despite the increase in gun ownership. Correlation != causation

    But go on, keep dismissing that evidence as it's been presented countless times in this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryngo Blackratchet View Post
    Yeah, Rhandric is right, as usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belfpala View Post
    This law abiding person doesn't consider taking your guns away to be a punishment.
    If you don't consider it a punishment to take away my guns, what do you consider it?

  16. #18796
    Quote Originally Posted by Eiffeltower View Post
    Make the gun seller 50% responsible for any harm caused by the gun, and watch gun crime and circulation numbers drop like the boxer in snake eyes.

    They wouldn't sell it to anyone, and would need to provide training amd mental health checks etc. Both parties would have to work very hard to obtain a gun, second amendment untouched, and your kids also get to stay alive.
    I can't even describe how idiotic this is.

    Would you suggest we do the same thing to car manufacturers? How about holding McDonalds 50% responsible for regular customers who die of health issues relating to their poor diet? Is Budweiser 50% to blame for the deaths caused by drunk drivers? Oh wait, shit, if a person gets wasted on Budweiser and then gets in his Ford and kills someone driving home, that would mean that Ford is 50% to blame, Budweiser is 50% to blame, and the drunk driver is just an innocent victim! It's brilliant!

    How old are you? 5? 7? You clearly have no grasp on the concept of personal responsibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belfpala View Post
    This law abiding person doesn't consider taking your guns away to be a punishment.
    Care to justify that statement? It seems to defy logic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daelak View Post
    Even though there is data from other nations that show lower amount of guns in circulation, both legal and black market, equals less gun related incidents?
    Correlation does not equal causation, and doesn't even imply it in cases where there are so many differing variables.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eiffeltower View Post
    Make the gun seller 50% responsible for any harm caused by the gun, and watch gun crime and circulation numbers drop like the boxer in snake eyes.

    They wouldn't sell it to anyone, and would need to provide training amd mental health checks etc. Both parties would have to work very hard to obtain a gun, second amendment untouched, and your kids also get to stay alive.
    honestly one of the stupidest things i've ever heard with gun crimes being down theirs no need for more regulation
    Well now I don't read that daily news
    'Cause it ain't hard to figure
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    They can't dig what they can't use
    If they stick to themselves
    They'd be much less abused

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daelak View Post
    Even though there is data from other nations that show lower amount of guns in circulation, both legal and black market, equals less gun related incidents?
    My point wasn't that lower numbers of guns wouldn't necessarily lower gun violence. My point was that you were basically talking about introducing legislation that would specifically target the law-abiding solely for it's secondary effect on criminals. Basically, "I can't punish you, so I'm going to punish your neighbor (even though they're innocent) in the hopes that it deters or negatively impacts you."

    If you want to talk about cracking down, you can make the impact more significant for people committing crimes with a firearm. Mandatory double sentencing for crimes involving a firearm. No possibility for parole.

    At least those would be laws that punish the criminal gun owners and not the law-abiding gun owners.
    Last edited by PhaelixWW; 2013-06-06 at 11:21 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Why would I hold an opinion of something I have absolutely no clue about? That's kind of a dumb thing to do.
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    Ignorance when coupled with arrogance is a natural disaster.

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    At least those would be laws that punish the criminal gun owners and not the law-abiding gun owners.
    But then owning a gun wouldn't be so scary that most people are too afraid to exercise their rights to do so.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jevlin
    Why? Because fuck you, that's why.

    Every time you have a question that begins with "Why?" that is about what other people prefer to do with their own goddamn time, come back here, and reread the first row of this post. That will ALWAYS be the answer to your question. Have a nice day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    My point wasn't that lower numbers of guns wouldn't necessarily lower gun violence. My point was that you were basically talking about introducing legislation that would specifically target the law-abiding solely for it's secondary effect on criminals. Basically, "I can't punish you, so I'm going to punish your neighbor (even though they're innocent) in the hopes that it deters or negatively impacts you."

    If you want to talk about cracking down, you can make the impact more significant for people committing crimes with a firearm. Mandatory double sentencing for crimes involving a firearm. No possibility for parole.

    At least those would be laws that punish the criminal gun owners and not the law-abiding gun owners.
    Almost every gun was a legal gun at some point. I've said this over and fucking over, and it's never addressed. Criminals don't get magical guns from thin air.

    And there's no evidence that harsher sentences reduce crime, as far as I know.

    So am I being ridiculous? I don't think so.
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