Will DPS warriors continue to be carried in Tier 15?

[Eranthe]

Generally if you do super well as arms, it's because of good rng on taste for blood and colossus smash procs. (or cheesing with cleave) It was the same in dragon soul. There are warriors in this thread that have done very well as arms, but they probably would have done equal or more dps as fury, assuming they play it as well as they play arms. But you're still depending on RNG for a significant difference in dps from best case scenario to worst case.

*edit* there are exceptional warriors that can do very high dps as arms, i'm not arguing that, but as you can see from simcraft results (assuming they are somewhat accurate) fury is well ahead, all things equal.

[Biggles Worth]

My fury warrior does 80k sustain in heroic 5 mans single target with the crafting 450 pvp blues. I thought they would have been that much better with awesome raiding weapons and gear. Was I wrong? I've been playing my priest and mage.

[Deleted]

My fury warrior does 80k sustain in heroic 5 mans single target with the crafting 450 pvp blues. I thought they would have been that much better with awesome raiding weapons and gear. Was I wrong? I've been playing my priest and mage.

Yeah ofcourse you are doing 80k dps in ilvl 450 blue pvp gear, and the moon is purple also!

[Kaneiac]

My fury warrior does 80k sustain in heroic 5 mans single target with the crafting 450 pvp blues. I thought they would have been that much better with awesome raiding weapons and gear. Was I wrong? I've been playing my priest and mage.

What's the incentive for lying about shit like this? It does nothing for anyone.

[Deleted]

Fury is pretty decent. Arms is not viable in heroic raids.

Not true in the slightest. Arms is perfectly viable. Landsoul even said himself during a raid 2 days ago if he switched to Arms right now he'd probably pull the exact same dps.

[Bryntrollian]

What's the incentive for lying about shit like this? It does nothing for anyone.

nah he just bursts 88k max and the bosses die extremely fast

[Mad_Murdock]

What's the incentive for lying about shit like this? It does nothing for anyone.

I'm 99% sure I can do 80K dps in 450 blues. I just need everyon else to be in 489+ gear and I need a short fight. Like the Jade Serpent chick or maybe I can cheese it like the Scholomance fight with the Acid buff

[Lethey Alexandros]

I manage about 55-60k DPS in a raid encounters as fury. Its not the best but useing absolutley no addons other than DBM and Omen I feel ok with it. More so since the current teir doesent have the stats available to support the crit soft cap that GC said warriors should shoot for.

[Kaneiac]

I'm 99% sure I can do 80K dps in 450 blues. I just need everyon else to be in 489+ gear and I need a short fight. Like the Jade Serpent chick or maybe I can cheese it like the Scholomance fight with the Acid buff

Yes, because 80k "sustained dps" means cheesed fights or extremely short, bursty-fights carried by the other DPS. :P

Whatever, reading through his post history, he's most likely troll-oh wait...it's a bannable offense to say that.

He's merely TRICKING us!

[Deleted]

Not true in the slightest. Arms is perfectly viable. Landsoul even said himself during a raid 2 days ago if he switched to Arms right now he'd probably pull the exact same dps.

I dont care what a single persons says. Facts and numbers are what matter to me. A single person can be wrong. A collection of thousand of log entries on the other hand are unlikely to be wrong. They may be not a 100% accurate, but they come the closest to what we have and can be considered accurate. If you dont believe me you can check them out on various site:

http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/
http://simulationcraft.org/510/Raid_T14H.html
http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overall_D...14/60/default/
http://worldoflogs.com/rankings/play...t_of_Fear/dps/

and so on.

If you are still convinced that you can pull the same numbers with arms as you can do with fury(skill,gear,experience being the same) than Im afraid I have to sincerly question your intelligence.

[Dawnrage]

I dont care what a single persons says. Facts and numbers are what matter to me. A single person can be wrong. A collection of thousand of log entries on the other hand are unlikely to be wrong. They may be not a 100% accurate, but they come the closest to what we have and can be considered accurate. If you dont believe me you can check them out on various site:

http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/
http://simulationcraft.org/510/Raid_T14H.html
http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overall_D...14/60/default/
http://worldoflogs.com/rankings/play...t_of_Fear/dps/

and so on.

If you are still convinced that you can pull the same numbers with arms as you can do with fury(skill,gear,experience being the same) than Im afraid I have to sincerly question your intelligence.

I think fury is better as well (even though I play arms in a casual guild), but you know that on world of logs, there is an arms parse in the top 20 overall DPS for all specs imperial vizier 10 normal, and top 10 overall DPS for all specs tsulong 10 normal. There are also several 10 man fights where the top arms does more than the top fury, like grand empress shekzeer.

Overall arms is worse than fury according to all the sites you linked, not going to argue that, but it does show that arms has potential to be up there, whether it's due to rng or better play etc.

Some people might discount the fact that it's 10 man and only 25 man or heroics matter as well but I guess that's a whole other can of worms.

[Deleted]

I think fury is better as well (even though I play arms in a casual guild), but you know that on world of logs, there is an arms parse in the top 20 overall DPS for all specs imperial vizier 10 normal, and top 10 overall DPS for all specs tsulong 10 normal. There are also several 10 man fights where the top arms does more than the top fury, like grand empress shekzeer etc.

Overall arms is worse than fury according to all the sites you linked, not going to argue that, but it does show that arms has potential to be up there, whether it's due to rng or better play etc.

Some people might discount the fact that it's 10 man and only 25 man or heroics matter as well but I guess that's a whole other can of worms.

Sure this is true. Of course WoL is not 100% perfect and bosses are different and players and gear and guilds and tactics and everything can be different. Also remember fury is only going to be stronger every tier of gear, because of the massive gains of critical strike rating on it and thus resulting in higher uptimes of enrage improving your mastery and granting more raging blows. Arms on the other hand does not scale quite as well. This is why we see a few arms players pulling good numbers, especially when they are in pre heroic raid gear. But once it comes to the state where players are pretty much full BiS Heroic fury is going to crush arms.

Im still playing arms myself and doing decent dps with ilvl 498 with a few heroic raid items and an upgraded Shin Ka, but once I have the chance to get decend 1 handed weapons Im going to switch (bad drop luck in our raid and 2 tanks who need 1handed weapons aswell).
Its not like my raid says that I need to specc fury, but due to my nature of wanting to be beneficial as much as possible for my raid I just want to maximize my dps and there is no other way than going fury once your gear gets good enough.
Although I do hope for arms buff in 5.2, since it is my preferred specc.

[Darkfriend]

Arms is not worth playing in pve dps. the only time i would ever consider doing it in its current form was prenerf garalon when you got extra damage from sweeping strikes. in every other situation you can do way more dps as fury. I went arms to try it after I got heroic starshatter, and i did a whopping 83k dps on protectors of the endless elite, which was rank 76 in the world since no one plays the spec. If i had needlessly meter padded with sweeping strikes I could do way more, but it's pointless. Besides, fury cleave is just as good, if not better than arms.

I am not saying i played perfectly, but I had respectable ranks in dragon soul when arms was actually good, so I've had success with it in the past.

http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-obj99vk23jrjwice/ arms best

http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-g5...?s=6598&e=6997 fury best


**on topic** fury's dps is easily competitive with the other top classes, aside from fire mages before the nerf.

I'm just going to say that Arms is still perfectly viable if you don't have optimal raid buffs and /or weapons. Single target fights I'm pulling ~92-98k DPS. Is it ideal? Not on many fights perhaps, but people discount gear and everything far too much.

[sOvrn]

/reports/rt-g5lmfcmqu7fpcl0i/sum/damageDone/?s=6598&e=6997 fury best


**on topic** fury's dps is easily competitive with the other top classes, aside from fire mages before the nerf.

Damn! I was looking over that parse and you played really good, needless to say, but your BTs critted in that fight for 72% of the time!!! O_O It's the pure luck that kills me the most about playing fury.

[Deafknight]

Damn! I was looking over that parse and you played really good, needless to say, but your BTs critted in that fight for 72% of the time!!! O_O It's the pure luck that kills me the most about playing fury.

You can see the luck when he only had to do 3 heroic throws ^^

[Deleted]

I dont care what a single persons says. Facts and numbers are what matter to me. A single person can be wrong. A collection of thousand of log entries on the other hand are unlikely to be wrong. They may be not a 100% accurate, but they come the closest to what we have and can be considered accurate. If you dont believe me you can check them out on various site:

http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/
http://simulationcraft.org/510/Raid_T14H.html
http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overall_D...14/60/default/
http://worldoflogs.com/rankings/play...t_of_Fear/dps/

and so on.

If you are still convinced that you can pull the same numbers with arms as you can do with fury(skill,gear,experience being the same) than Im afraid I have to sincerly question your intelligence.

If the guy that fucking writes the damn sims and spreadsheets says he can play it, and it's viable, it's probably viable.

[Deleted]

If the guy that fucking writes the damn sims and spreadsheets says he can play it, and it's viable, it's probably viable.

Okay whatever lets you sleep at nights. But please stop posting in this thread, because a few unbiased people still want to discuss here.

[Deafknight]

If the guy that fucking writes the damn sims and spreadsheets says he can play it, and it's viable, it's probably viable.

Berserker Stance isnt worth using on most fights, or maybe you must missclicked berserker rage O:

[Deleted]

Berserker Stance isnt worth using on most fights, or maybe you must missclicked berserker rage O:

Actually berserker stance is pretty good when used properly and can increase your dps quite a bit on most fight. For example Heart of Fear. You get lots of rage in HoF on every single fight if you dance stance properly

[Darkfriend]

Actually berserker stance is pretty good when used properly and can increase your dps quite a bit on most fight. For example Heart of Fear. You get lots of rage in HoF on every single fight if you dance stance properly

Yes, this. On blade lord ta'yak, I gained over 500 rage just from berserker stance (#1 arms normal parse 6 weeks or so ago IIRC).