my point is why gate gear behind rep at all?
the only case where I was ok with this, was the firelands rep items (cloaks, rings, trinkets)
cause at least you worked towards items in a relevant manner.
---------- Post added 2012-12-17 at 07:19 AM ----------
Valor gear is not meant for raiders. In fact, there was not supposed to BE any valor gear in MoP. At all. None. The VP gear was added to the rep vendors very late in beta, effectively last minute. Before that we were told that valor was going to be used for the upgrade system that ultimately came in 5.1. They changed their minds for 2 reasons. The upgrade system wasn't quite ready for launch and the devs thought that having no valor gear at all would be too much of a shock to players on top of the already extensive game changes that come with a new expansion. That is why VP gear is a lower iLvl than raid drops in normal HoF and TotES, and not significantly higher than drops from LFR. Basically they want you killing bosses as your primary source for gear, not visiting the Magical Armor Dispenser. Valor gear is mostly targeted at players who either do not raid at all or at most do LFR runs only, with the logic that if you are only doing LFR you have time to do the dailies to unlock the gear, especially since you will unlock gear far faster than you can earn valor even if doing them casually. Yes, Blizzard changed the system for the one where valor was used to supplement bad luck with raid drops. No, they did not make sure players were well enough aware of this change after 2.5 expansions under the old system.
Blizzard already recognizes that MoP is very alt unfriendly. They are looking at ways to address that. I would not expect changes taking us anywhere close to how we saw things in Cata, where it was completely possible to have 10 fully raid-geared characters that are actively played at the same time. I would also not be at all surprised if they don't put any more valor gear into the game, and rely on the upgrade system only. I see this as especially true given their comments about not having such a drastic "catch-up" mechanic as we saw in both WotLK and Cata, where prior tiers are completely obsoleted by new 5-mans that drop equivalent gear, instead using LFR as a means of prepping new characters for current tier raiding.
What I would like to see in 5.2:
Remove rep requirement on T14 valor gear and make it cost JP instead
Increased rate of JP gain
New level 90 characters would gear up for current content using T14 LFR, vendor gear, and the upgrade system. Yay for non-painful progression raiding!
Any new 5.2 5-man heroics drop gear equivalent to T14 LFR Hof/TotES (iLvl 483)
Last edited by Gurbz; 2012-12-17 at 03:40 PM.
All this complaining is simply further proof that Blizzard could send each and every player a real-life wish-granting flying unicorn carrying a solid gold plate of chocolate chip cookies wrapped in hundred dollar bills, and someone would whine that Blizzard sucks for not letting them choose oatmeal raisin.
"Only Jack can zip up."
The word you want to use is "have" not "of".
You may have alot of stuff in your country, but we got Lolland.
And its not effort that bothers me. Its that there's no alternative means of acquiring them, as I personally hate doing dailies. I'm not alone in that sentiment, either.
Just raise a faction or two til honred, get their gear and you can probably enter LFR and get the rest. Besides when you do the dailies you also get Valor so it's win-win...
---------- Post added 2012-12-18 at 01:31 PM ----------
Assuming that it is, here is where my confusion is. I would imagine, as a raider, that you are getting gear from the raids, yes? If you are getting gear from the raids, why do you need to buy valor gear?
At the rate we get valor (1k a week) it's going to take you a week and a half to get a single valor item (this assumes that you are capping valor on your alt). This amount of time is going to significantly increase if you are not capping valor on your alt. In the time it takes you to earn the valor to purchase a single rep item, you could have raided all 16 bosses, the entire LFR and Sha of Anger twice (not counting Galleon as his timer is wonky).
I would also imagine that you have a decent idea of where your best in slot gear comes from. So you know if you go out of your way to grind rep for a piece of gear, it's potentially going to be replaced by actual raid gear.
You can also use your valor to upgrade epic loot twice. And in 5.2 you will be able to convert it to Justice Points to help upgrade any Blue gear you may still have.
Also note that there are plenty of ways to cap valor without having to run an dailies at all.
I just don't see where you are forced to do dailies.
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---------- Post added 2012-12-18 at 03:19 PM ----------
also note that the shield wall rewards are even better tan MSV normal loot
Last edited by thunderdragon2; 2012-12-18 at 03:22 PM.
I can understand why they'd gate valor gear behind rep, I always felt like getting valor gear was too easy. You grind a few super easy 5man heroics, get valor and buy gear equivalent to raiding. Didn't seem fair to me.
I think Blizzard did it wrong tough. They should add a barrier to test players before they can use (or get) VP gear, but rep isn't one. They aren't challenging either, just time-consuming. For me it worked great, I'd have grinded the hell out of these reputations anyway (69 Exalteds atm!!), but I bet players who don't share my passion for questing must be feeling forced to do something they don't want and, worse even, something that isn't related to raiding gear at all.
I think Blizzard should have made heroics and dailies reward Justice Point, make Justice Point more useful then it is right now (more items being sold with it) and make Challenge mode reward Valor. Make it so you can get a decent amount of Valor even with Bronze, you wouldn't have to be a total badass to get it, but make it harder and less repetitive then dailies or 5man heroics.
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