remove the rep requirement for valor gear.

[Ugum]

The Commendations you can get once you are Revered make Alts grinding the reps stupidly easy (plus they work for your WHOLE account, buy them on your Hordie on Trollbane and you get the bonus on your Alliance characters on Zul'Jin). Just from doing the normal questing while leveling in Townlong, my Alt is like 8-9k into Honored with Shadow Pan already without even touching a daily.

The only one that, I believe, doesn't carry overfactions (obviously) is the Operation: Shieldwall to Dominance Offensive reputation.

The Commendations pretty much solved the Alt rep grind issue as far as I'm concerned.

How in the seven hells can you stand to cap valor on 8+ characters? I can't even cap 2 of them....

My Main is usually capped by Wednesday or Thursday. I run all the LFR's and Sha. I hit MSV with the guild and the couple of Bosses we have killed in HoF. After that, I hit a quick Scenario and a quick LFD. That get's you very close to being capped. Then I'll just do the dailies that I feel like working on.

After that, the VP flows in quickly for Alt's due to the bonus you get once a character is capped.

[Liliannan]

Getting to Revered is so quick once you already have an main that's revered/exalted now (with the commendations, go buy them!).
Rep grind overall, even without the commendations, isn't that bad - it's just a time sink. I'm exalted with every single Pandaria faction (except black prince) and it's only a few months into the game.

[Granyala]

After that, the VP flows in quickly for Alt's due to the bonus you get once a character is capped.

I know, but doing LFR 8+ times a week... I think my skull would implode due to the massive vacuum (pun intended) created by the disintegration of my brain caused by the sheer overwhelming amount of boredom presented by my computer screen....

ugh... the mere thought makes me dizzy.

[thunderdragon2]

Once a toon starts raiding, there is nothing to convince me that grinding for current rep gear is an absolute need. It's always going to be a want.

crappy rng?

i spent weeks hoping for some upgrades to my lfr gear while raiding normal and was about to buy the wrists form argust honored till i won them on sunday with coin.l

so the purpose of valor gear even if ur raiding is to fill the slot(s) that rng is stopping you from filling

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The Commendations you can get once you are Revered make Alts grinding the reps stupidly easy (plus they work for your WHOLE account, buy them on your Hordie on Trollbane and you get the bonus on your Alliance characters on Zul'Jin). Just from doing the normal questing while leveling in Townlong, my Alt is like 8-9k into Honored with Shadow Pan already without even touching a daily.

The only one that, I believe, doesn't carry overfactions (obviously) is the Operation: Shieldwall to Dominance Offensive reputation.

The Commendations pretty much solved the Alt rep grind issue as far as I'm concerned.



My Main is usually capped by Wednesday or Thursday. I run all the LFR's and Sha. I hit MSV with the guild and the couple of Bosses we have killed in HoF. After that, I hit a quick Scenario and a quick LFD. That get's you very close to being capped. Then I'll just do the dailies that I feel like working on.

After that, the VP flows in quickly for Alt's due to the bonus you get once a character is capped.

if people hate doing dailies they will have no characters that are revered with any factions so your point is invalid, but you do have a point with the vp

[Archdruid Dehydrate]

So you would rather Blizzard hand you the Valor Gear instead ??

Please do correct me OP if I am in over my head here

[Terridon]

crappy rng?

i spent weeks hoping for some upgrades to my lfr gear while raiding normal and was about to buy the wrists form argust honored till i won them on sunday with coin.l

so the purpose of valor gear even if ur raiding is to fill the slot(s) that rng is stopping you from filling

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if people hate doing dailies they will have no characters that are revered with any factions so your point is invalid, but you do have a point with the vp

The point with valor is to use it to get most dps/hps/survivability for each valor point. Picking a piece of gear that doesn't have perfect stats(i asume people have 463 gear in all slots since it's not that hard to obtain), instead of double-upgrade one with perfect stats is a poor choise.
You have to be exeptionelly unlucky to get in the situation most of you talk about. It's a theoretical situation, that not even any of the posters here have reached, from what i could see.

[thunderdragon2]

The point with valor is to use it to get most dps/hps/survivability for each valor point. Picking a piece of gear that doesn't have perfect stats(i asume people have 463 gear in all slots since it's not that hard to obtain), instead of double-upgrade one with perfect stats is a poor choise.
You have to be exeptionelly unlucky to get in the situation most of you talk about. It's a theoretical situation, that not even any of the posters here have reached, from what i could see.

my main no longer has blues but 476 ilvl and above gear which means in most slots the vp gear is still a upgrade

[Voyager]

Most of the Valor gear is useless anyway, because all of it has hit/crit. It only caters to Fire Mages.
A properly itemized ilvl 476/483 item beats a 489 valor item in dps, because you can't forge away more than 40% of one stat, so if both stats are close to useless you can only recover 20% out of it.

[Deathgoose]

The point with valor is to use it to get most dps/hps/survivability for each valor point. Picking a piece of gear that doesn't have perfect stats(i asume people have 463 gear in all slots since it's not that hard to obtain), instead of double-upgrade one with perfect stats is a poor choise.
You have to be exeptionelly unlucky to get in the situation most of you talk about. It's a theoretical situation, that not even any of the posters here have reached, from what i could see.

Given your example:
463 -> 489 (or 496 from 5.1 factions) is a +26 (+33) iLvL increase.
Double upgrading one piece is a +8 iLvL ( of presumably 476 and up, since we're talking about spending VP here) increase, no matter what you were starting with.

That is a delta of +18 (+25) in favor of upgrading 463->489 (496) before upgrading existing epics. So long as you are picking the correct spec's gear (obviously ) I don't know what magical "perfect stats" wouldn't make a 489/496 more compelling than a 463, given that the increased primary stats alone should make the item superior and reforging out of whichever secondary stat is less optimal into something more desired would take care of the rest.

Now, if you are fully decked out in 476/483 in every slot, then yes, the delta diminishes drastically, and from that point on, upgrading existing slots will probably be better.

[luccadeo]

They should just make rep gains equal across all accounts. You get exalted with a faction on one toon you get automatically become exalted on other toons on that account.

[DeadmanWalking]

I think they should remove the rep requirements on Valor and institute a QQ or doomsaying on forums requirement for valor gear.

I'm starting up my alts now in 5.1 and its so stupidly easy to get repped up with alts now that I was revered with Klaxxi before I hit level 90 or even finished off all the regular quests in the zone. I didnt do the under water stuff, I didnt start any quests south of the briney muck and I didnt do the paragon quest that requires killing a bunch of mantid leaders. I became exalted with Tillers in 4 or 5 days doing about 15 mins of stuff a day.

If you are still QQing that its too hard to grind rep on alts then you are either not doing it right or you have earned your valor gear by meeting your QQ requirements.

[gamingmuscle]

You can earn valor other ways than dailies. You cannot however spend that valor (on gear) without dailies. That's the OP's issue.

Woops...missed a bit. Nevermind.

[Totle]

this is mostly qq about alts. to spend your valor that you get from raiding, you need to grind out reps. which to be honest, is stupid. I get a currency from raiding, and I have to do DAILIES just for the RIGHT to spend it?

who thought of this crap?

my warlock alt has no desire to do any dailies, I do enough of them on my paladin. but, if I want to spend my valor, I have no choice.

rep should only be required for VANITY items. valor items should be on their own vendor, cause if I choose to raid on a character, I shouldnt be forced to do dailies just to spend my valor. all this system does, is FORCE people to do dailies that they dont want to.

being forced to do dailies to spend a currency you primarily get from raiding = dumb.

You don't have to. Just by doing regular questing in Townlong and Dreadwaste you gain enough rep to hit Honored with Shado Pan and Klaxxi, respectively. This gives you access to several valor point options.

Next, if you grind enough heroics, you can bump up your ilvl to start doing LFR (or if you have a guild) or regular raids. Then you can get gear that way and use your VP to upgrade it.

Dailies/Rep grind is the primary way of accessing content in this expansion but it is by no means the only or more importantly, the mandatory way of doing it.

Also, think back to Cata - you got epics for hitting exalted with factions too. You also got VP epics. Blizz just decided to combine the two to make things simpler.

[SherbertLand]

If they make them no longer require rep, they should drop the ilvl down to 470. That's the only fair way to do it.

[Mokaproductionist]

They could've put a generic valor vendor into game (like cata and wrath) in addition to the rep factions, with slightly lower ilvl.

[Attsey]

Back in my days, we had to do stuff to be rewarded.

That was the BC model, you know the one you think was broken. Cant have it both ways.

[Tomana]

That was the BC model, you know the one you think was broken. Cant have it both ways.

BC model was not broken because you had to do stuff to be rewarded, but because if you didn't do any stuff, you didn't get anything at all.
In MOP you get 5 mans and LFR even if you don't do dailies, grind rep or get valor items. Yes, you don't have access to anything, but still to something, which spreads the cost of content's creation on the largest possible base.

[Moradim]

just have quartermasters outside msv/hof/terrace, that give you gear per rep level, like firelands. put vanity items on golden lotus/shado-pan/etc vendors.

raiders get gear they can use, and people who dont raid still get the items they want.

if I could log on, raid, and log off, and get valor gear without doing lots of dailies, i'd be happy. at the very least, if your main gets a rep to exalted, let the alts access the gear without repeating the grind.

back when I did the sons of hodir grind, I could still give alts enchants.

[Pedrolo]

You are playing an alt, you repeated the leveling process, you repeated the gearing process in heroics, you are repeating the bosses in the raids, but you don't want to repeat the reputation grinds?

Ok, so I have my pally at 90, so why I have to repeat all the leveling process? I leveled once and it is boring. Set me to lvl 90!
I leveled my professions on my main, alt professions are boring, let me choose two of them and get them to level 600. Farming is for casuals!
Why I have to gear my alt to raids? The same heroics over again? It's stupid, give me my gear!
I've killed the bosses with my main character this week, give me loot on my alts, killing the same boss two times in a week is boring and stupid.
I have full conquest gear with my main, now I have to do BG's to gear my alt? It's repetitive to death, give me the conquest gear also in my alt Blizzard!

Oh wait! I have to play the game in order to play the game?

[Leonard McCoy]

Oh wait! I have to play the game in order to play the game?

This might shock and totally surprise you but... I DONT LIKE PLAYING THE GAME THE SAME WAY YOU DO. I liked getting my rewards out of dungeons not running fucking daily quests for a piddling amount of fucking valor and rep.