Ultimately it's just a process of them getting it through their thick fucking skulls. Going slower is a dumb idea. It's not 2006 and you shouldn't adopt the outlook of players who want the game to be like it was in vanilla or tbc which is a foolish notion as much as I love Tbc. GC has started to adopt every regressive back in the day notion that these people as eschewing on various forums across the web in some vain attempt to capture past glory.
I'd be fine seeing Blizz back-remove requirements. So in T15 the requirement for T14 valor gear is removed.
Also, during an expansions, some stuff is bound to become easier to offer at least some catching-up mechanics (cf. 4.3 5-mans, even though they probably won't go this far in MOP).
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Last edited by Leonard McCoy; 2012-12-19 at 10:06 PM.
If this was 100% true not only would they not give us valor they wouldn't have just raised the amount you get doing different things. Many non heroic bis items for ppl are from valor and in some cases like rings the new valor rings are the 2nd best option for ppl even if they are 16/16 in heroics. Sure you don't absolutely have to have the valor gear to do things, but lets not kid ourselves if the gear was that unnecessary they wouldn't have taken the time to put it in the game. They screwed up the rep and valor grind at the start of MoP they have said this several times in several different ways at this point. Now they are just doing partial fixes one after another to try and repair the issue they caused without completely revamping things.
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Originally Posted by 182987965621
It comes down to this for me:
I do not hate dailies. I hate that I have to do them in order to buy valor gear, which in turn causes me to ignore them most days. In previous expansions this was not the case. I am currently only doing dailies for mounts and not buying a single piece of valor gear from any faction even though I can on a couple of toons. I just don't like the system so I use it for LFR/Raid upgrades.
These factions would rather me go pick berries to prove I'm worthy of buying their gear than go and slay thousands of their enemies and save their continent. That makes sense.....
Last edited by Leonard McCoy; 2012-12-19 at 10:14 PM.
2) Look at it from an entire raid's prospective instead of a singe character's. Instead of 3 chances a week, its 30 or 75.
So basically... without a doubt, charms will increase a raid's performance over time. The chance of a certain person getting a specific upgrade is small, but the chance of a person in the raid getting an upgrade is incredibly high.
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Last edited by Maelstrom51; 2012-12-19 at 11:19 PM.
Heres teh thing:
If you raid Normal or above,
DON'T SPEND VALOR ON REP ITEMS EVER.
You're going to replace everything you get from rep in Normal Mode, so you're better off saving your valor and using it to upgrade drops.
This means.. tada! Rep doesn't matter. At least not if you raid.
Which means all you really need to do each week is enough dailys to get your 3 charms, which really isn't that many.
Last edited by Ranluka; 2012-12-20 at 12:01 AM.
but say there are people in my position but don't have the rep status i do,
just coz they raid normal or heroic they should be able to spend their valor on better gear than what they coherently have?
that's absurd, as that's the whole point of valor gear.
lfr is annoying, i just got the last peice i need form there on my 3rd alt be4 my main is done....
A few weeks?! Dude, gear isn't supposed to take just a few weeks. People spend months farming a teir!
You need 27000 Valor in all to get your BIS items all upgraded. Its going to take you the entire tier to get all that gear upgraded. Why would you waste it on filler gear when you need it for your BIS? The only time you should spend it on rep gear is if you've run out of raid gear to upgrade and you're going to waste valor if you don't spend some. That's the ONLY time.
I know you want to cling to the Pre-MOP model, but this expac, its primary purpose is gear upgrades. That's the the rep gear is lower ilvl. If you're spending it on Rep gear, you're just gimping yourself.
Last edited by Windfury; 2012-12-20 at 12:28 AM.