Since when did getting kicked = deserting?

[Taurenburger]

I´m sorry for you. You even told you'd be there asap and it was just a few minutes. But well, people are stupid...

[jonny888]

Actually it is, got anything to add other than trolling posters?

The topic is about getting deserter for being vote kicked from an instance.
You were talking about not being to complete scenarios because people left the group.

Not related. Not trolling. Just saying.

[Deleted]

I don't think he is at fault here.
IMO thats an abuse aof the kickfunction.
Of course waiting for someone can be annoying but he said it didn't even take 2 minutes.
Even I kick people who are AFK every 2 minutes for opening the door, cause it annoys me.

On the other hand, when I have been farming gear for my hunter I always joind in scarlet monastery where I didn't need anything.
So I told the group that I don't need anything from this instance, left, got my (punishment) debuff and waited.
And that's how it should be done

I think this feature is more directed at people who troll the group, leach them by being constantly AFK or just going offline without making space for a new one.
But even if there are much more situations where it would be appopriate (don't know if I spelled it right) forbid the kick of a player I don't think it's programmable because of all the different circumstances it would involve.

[BaZERGer]

The vote-kick restictions only apply to people who use the feature regularly, although it could be someone like that who initiated it, chances are with the patiance shown, they'll likely not have the ability to ignore the restrictions, which can make one question, whether the OP was taking less than 2 minutes or not.


And what they waited combined does not matter, they did not wait 8 minutes, period. Time doesn't flow faster just because there's more people there.

[Miko]

Yeah, go ahead and make a 'working as intended' argument when there is a link to a thread in which a Blizzard representative says that it is not working as intended.

No matter how much you think it is a good idea (which it isn't, by the way. For starters, there is a dungeon cooldown), it is obviously not intended. The problem is, it has been there for 16 months.


I am sorry for thinking a 1-2 minute wait wasn't too much? Hell, they could have pulled and killed some of the trash without me easily.

Besides, the reason I was kicked is totally irrelevant to the point of this thread. Whatever the reason, getting a deserter buff from being kicked is improper, and it is frustrating that this issue has been known for so long yet it has not been fixed.

I bet next time you will enter the instnace faster. I don't see it as a bug at all. You where kicked for a legit reason and you deserve a debuff, maybe you can use that time to finish your dailys.

[The Small Hours]

I rarely do any dungeons but I remember being able to ask the group to vote kick you out the party instead of leaving so you didn't get the debuff, lol if this has changed!

[Jawless Jones]

as someone who tanks and has tanked for years i really couldnt give a rats ass if we're down one or even two dps...

getting deserter debuff shouldnt be applied if you're kicked, only if you actually desert the group

on a completely unrelated (well, kinda related) note i reckon you should be able to zone into a dungeon EVEN IF one dps doesnt accept the queue, its just annoying how i have to wait an extra 10 seconds (or even up to a minute if this happens more than once) just because a single dps (a "non-essential" as i like to call them) is afk or doesnt accept the queue...

[Deleted]

Dont you get auto-kicked if you dont enter the instance within a certain period of time ?

[PetersenIII]

as someone who tanks and has tanked for years i really couldnt give a rats ass if we're down one or even two dps...

getting deserter debuff shouldnt be applied if you're kicked, only if you actually desert the group

on a completely unrelated (well, kinda related) note i reckon you should be able to zone into a dungeon EVEN IF one dps doesnt accept the queue, its just annoying how i have to wait an extra 10 seconds (or even up to a minute if this happens more than once) just because a single dps (a "non-essential" as i like to call them) is afk or doesnt accept the queue...

Hey, look, here's a guy with a brain! =D


Though I will say that tanks and even healers can also be "non-essentials". =P I can't count the number of times I've had some stupid tank throw a temper tantrum about me pulling a group I can solo...

[Klingers]

... So I said "sec, vehicle" in party chat and finish off the last 50 or so mantid for the quest, which took about a minute and a half. As it loads me out of the vehicle, I am votekicked from the group. Mildly annoyed, I go to requeue for heroics...

You were being inconsiderate. They're strangers and owe you nothing.

"It was only ninety lousy seconds! Couldn't they just damn-well wait?!" You might ask. Well, again, they're strangers. Keep in mind that this also isn't a cost-neutral choice for them. It's not just a matter of being nice to a stranger and being patient, it's four people you don't know thinking "Fuck this guy. He's wasting my time. /votekick".

You started off the relationship (i.e. dungeon run with strangers) on a bad footing. You implied that your time was more valuable than theirs. They collectively disagreed.

It's that simple.

[Shakari]

Yeah, go ahead and make a 'working as intended' argument when there is a link to a thread in which a Blizzard representative says that it is not working as intended.

No matter how much you think it is a good idea (which it isn't, by the way. For starters, there is a dungeon cooldown), it is obviously not intended. The problem is, it has been there for 16 months.


I am sorry for thinking a 1-2 minute wait wasn't too much? Hell, they could have pulled and killed some of the trash without me easily.

Besides, the reason I was kicked is totally irrelevant to the point of this thread. Whatever the reason, getting a deserter buff from being kicked is improper, and it is frustrating that this issue has been known for so long yet it has not been fixed.

Sorry but blizz have a long history of changing there minds or one rep saying "its A" when its really "B" and so on. On the good side the way it works now means ppl like yourself don't keep 4 other waiting around for you to finish that quest that you just can't manage to do later, or visit the AH and so on.

Do not expect patience from a pug group, if you do you'll end up kicked 99/100 and thats how it goes. When I que and join a random I drop what I am doing and join, there's no need to keep people waiting for no reason, and finishing a quest is no reason, as it can be continued after you have done the heroic.

So really not suprised you got kicked really guess next time just join straight away and problem is solved

[The Small Hours]

Dont you get auto-kicked if you dont enter the instance within a certain period of time ?

You don't get kicked, if you don't enter in time you're chucked to the back of the queue. Hated seeing those big red crosses while levelling, surprisingly most of the time it was the other dps's that almost never accepted

[Shakari]

You were being inconsiderate. They're strangers and owe you nothing.

"It was only ninety lousy seconds! Couldn't they just damn-well wait?!" You might ask. Well, again, they're strangers. Keep in mind that this also isn't a cost-neutral choice for them. It's not just a matter of being nice to a stranger and being patient, it's four people you don't know thinking "Fuck this guy. He's wasting my time. /votekick".

You started off the relationship (i.e. dungeon run with strangers) on a bad footing. You implied that your time was more valuable than theirs. They collectively disagreed.

It's that simple.

Well said and that hits the nail on the head

[Deleted]

Besides, the reason I was kicked is totally irrelevant to the point of this thread. Whatever the reason, getting a deserter buff from being kicked is improper, and it is frustrating that this issue has been known for so long yet it has not been fixed.

Well, reading your thread, you clearly think wasting peoples time isn't an issue at all, so maybe you can use those 30 minutes to contemplate on that. After all, you could just as easilly had finished the quest after the dungeon instead.

The deserter debuff on kicked people is perfect. There is a reason you get kicked.

You were being inconsiderate. They're strangers and owe you nothing.

"It was only ninety lousy seconds! Couldn't they just damn-well wait?!" You might ask. Well, again, they're strangers. Keep in mind that this also isn't a cost-neutral choice for them. It's not just a matter of being nice to a stranger and being patient, it's four people you don't know thinking "Fuck this guy. He's wasting my time. /votekick".

You started off the relationship (i.e. dungeon run with strangers) on a bad footing. You implied that your time was more valuable than theirs. They collectively disagreed.

It's that simple.

This is pretty much spot on.

[jonny888]

as someone who tanks and has tanked for years i really couldnt give a rats ass if we're down one or even two dps...

getting deserter debuff shouldnt be applied if you're kicked, only if you actually desert the group

on a completely unrelated (well, kinda related) note i reckon you should be able to zone into a dungeon EVEN IF one dps doesnt accept the queue, its just annoying how i have to wait an extra 10 seconds (or even up to a minute if this happens more than once) just because a single dps (a "non-essential" as i like to call them) is afk or doesnt accept the queue...

Well, as a tank (or healer), you know that your queue times are practically zero. So what would stop all tanks (or one's who are assholes anyway) just going AFK when they feel like it if there was no punishment for being vote kicked? With no de-buff, they'd just queue again knowing they'll see it pop up pretty much instantly. Making the vote-kick only a punishment for dps.

[PetersenIII]

Well said and that hits the nail on the head

Except not. If they're impatient enough to not wait for him for 2 minutes, why the hell are they waiting at all? You don't need any DPS to do instances (unless the tank and/or healer are kinda bad and/or poorly geared). If you can't be bothered to wait, then don't. Start pulling. The people who kicked him were douche-bags, plain and simple.

[Deleted]

Except not. If they're impatient enough to not wait for him for 2 minutes, why the hell are they waiting at all? You don't need any DPS to do instances (unless the tank and/or healer are kinda bad and/or poorly geared). If you can't be bothered to wait, then don't. Start pulling. The people who kicked him were douche-bags, plain and simple.

Not really. It's quite rude to do what OP did imo, even if it's just 2 minutes. He could just as easilly finish the quest after the instance. He basically chose to waste others time instead of his own, no matter how little it was. They were in their rights to do so. I'd probably wait, but just saying.

[Shockzilla]

So I said "sec, vehicle" in party chat and finish off the last 50 or so mantid for the quest, which took about a minute and a half. As it loads me out of the vehicle, I am votekicked from the group.

If your asking should you have been kicked the answer is, Dont Q if you are not ready to do one, having 4 other people wait for you is bull shit imo. I dont know about a bug.

[Klingers]

Except not. If they're impatient enough to not wait for him for 2 minutes, why the hell are they waiting at all? You don't need any DPS to do instances (unless the tank and/or healer are kinda bad and/or poorly geared). If you can't be bothered to wait, then don't. Start pulling. The people who kicked him were douche-bags, plain and simple.

Look, boiling it down it's simple: Random dungeons are social, group activities by design but due to their nature there's no consequences for bad behavior. The people that kicked this guy aren't douche-bags, they're people who don't like having their time wasted.

We can concede a few obvious points there's really not much point in going over again:

• Yes you can, indeed start pulling.
• Yes it was only a minute and a half... A trivial amount of time.
• Maybe highly geared players can trivialise an instance...

But really, so what? Four other people were willing to pull their weight. He was not. If you get a queue pop, drop the damn quest and re-do it later.

This is a personal gripe of mine I don't let worry me much anymore, but after eight years I still think is an important point to drive home: Don't fuck around and waste the time of people you don't know. They owe you nothing and will give you the same respect you've given them.

[ShaanuJaanu]

I would kick you too, we have to wait for a group to be formed only so one person can finish his daily? either get out of the vehicle (yes you can) and zone in or don't take the queue. Saves us both time.