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    Let's talk about the legendary meta gem

    (This entire post assumes Fire)

    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/to...?page=114#2278

    There is the list of the PPM adjustment changes. The Sinister Primal Diamond has a RPPM base of 1.18. Because of fire mage, that is multiplied by 0.302. Which gives us a RPPM of 0.35636 for fire.

    Now we use the RPPM formula for determining how much of a stat you gain:
    [[(PPM) * 1.25(Haste) * Duration of Trinket] / 60] * Stats granted on proc

    Plugging the numbers in, assuming 30% haste = 12750 rating, we gain only 112 haste rating. (This assumes a base character haste rating of 11.8%, which is just my haste rating because I'm lazy.)

    So to compare.
    With the burning we have 216 int and 3% crit rating.
    With the legendary meta we have 324 crit rating and 112 haste.

    Am I the only one that sees the problem? How can something be legendary and not be an upgrade over the current basic gem we're using?

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    The burning meta gem is not +3% crit rating, only a bonus to the crit multiplier. So you crits will do 2,03 times more damage instead of 2 times more damage.

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    Plugging in your numbers I get: .35636 * 1.25 * 10/60 * 12750 = 947 haste

    It looks like you are multiplying that by your haste for some reason to get 112. It is 30% haste, not 30% increase to your haste.

    Also if the haste proc is multiplicative, increase that by 25% or so.

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    Edit: already stated.

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    First, the burning meta gives 3% increase to damage of spell that crit, not crit rating.
    Second, Haste for R-ppm ignore two things : haste raid buff (+5%) and goblin buff.
    Third, haste is multiplicative. 30% haste give a factor of 1.3.
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    Would the Courageous Primal diamond proc for dps? Killing monsters seems pretty beneficial to me. That no mana for 4 sec would be AWESOME for arcane.

    ---------- Post added 2013-03-22 at 04:50 PM ----------

    Also, how much damage will capacitance (from Capacitive Primal Diamond) do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathyiel View Post
    First, the burning meta gives 3% increase to damage of spell that crit, not crit rating.
    Second, Haste for R-ppm ignore two things : haste raid buff (+5%) and goblin buff.
    Third, haste is multiplicative. 30% haste give a factor of 1.3.
    The burning primal diamond does not increase crit by 3%? Assuming you are correct, then looking at the tooltip ("3% Increased Critical Effect"), I would say Blizzard did a piss poor job of explaining what it actually does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scuac View Post
    The burning primal diamond does not increase crit by 3%? Assuming you are correct, then looking at the tooltip ("3% Increased Critical Effect"), I would say Blizzard did a piss poor job of explaining what it actually does.
    It's +3% Crit Damage. An easy way to test would be to take off your helmet and see how much your crit goes down. If it's anything less than 3%, then you know that's wrong :P

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    Did you play at Diablo III ?
    If not, "increased critical effect" is self explanatory : it's increase the effect (damage) of (spell) that crit.
    In contrary, it would have been "increase your critical chance"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rastamana View Post
    Would the Courageous Primal diamond proc for dps? Killing monsters seems pretty beneficial to me. That no mana for 4 sec would be AWESOME for arcane.

    ---------- Post added 2013-03-22 at 04:50 PM ----------

    Also, how much damage will capacitance (from Capacitive Primal Diamond) do?

    "Chance on casting a helpful spell to make your spells cost no mana for 4 sec." helpful refers to heals, not damage.

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