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    shadow meld?

    Doesn't seem to drop combat anymore. Bug or intended?

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    It does if everyone else is out of combat or dead. Most of the time.

    You won't get out of combat if you are killing a boss and others around you are still in combat though.

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    it removes you from combat. if the mob attacking you is far away, not anti stealth or not that much higher level.

    it's like going stealth but beeing unable to move.
    if the mob is standing next to you and you shadowmeld it will just see thru the stealth and attack you again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pkm View Post
    Doesn't seem to drop combat anymore. Bug or intended?
    It has NEVER removed you from combat, only from the threat table, and only for the duration of the spell..

    If you are te only one on the mobs threat table (i.e. you solo stuff), you can get lucky that it doesn't see you and reset, but it was never guarantied...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FuxieDK View Post
    It has NEVER removed you from combat, only from the threat table, and only for the duration of the spell..

    If you are te only one on the mobs threat table (i.e. you solo stuff), you can get lucky that it doesn't see you and reset, but it was never guarantied...
    Having druids shadowmeld and fly away in the past followed by unhealthy amounts of swearing sure made it seem like it dropped combat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flawless101 View Post
    Having druids shadowmeld and fly away in the past followed by unhealthy amounts of swearing sure made it seem like it dropped combat.
    In PvP it does, after a few seconds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treelife View Post
    In PvP it does, after a few seconds.
    Are you sure? My druid use to be able to flight form straight after shadow meld. Same with mobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pkm View Post
    Doesn't seem to drop combat anymore. Bug or intended?
    Should drop you out of combat. Sounds like a bug to me.. although I haven't had a nelf character in quiet some time so I don't know if they change this or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pkm View Post
    Doesn't seem to drop combat anymore. Bug or intended?
    It never dropped combat (in PvE) which is why it's useless in instances. You either need to be far away and the last one alive in a dungeon or things will come right up to you after killing everything else and strike you down.

    In the world or pvp it only drops combat on account of mobs reset in the world as soon as they can't target you and the same effect removes u from combat in pvp, loss of target.

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    It does work in instances. You just have to time it right. Use a threat reduction ability such as fade or something just to make sure you are the last one to be attacked, then wait for everybody else to die then Shadowmeld. This will reset the boss / encounter.

    It is a little buggy on some bosses but most of the time it works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Constellation View Post
    It never dropped combat (in PvE) which is why it's useless in instances. You either need to be far away and the last one alive in a dungeon or things will come right up to you after killing everything else and strike you down.

    In the world or pvp it only drops combat on account of mobs reset in the world as soon as they can't target you and the same effect removes u from combat in pvp, loss of target.
    You realize the two examples you've given contradicted your first statement right?

    Yes, shadowmeld has been dropping your out of combat since wrath (except for a brief period in cata? that I can't think of), but its uses have been limited.

    If you're the last player on their threat table, and they're not close enough to see through it, you'll drop combat.
    If you're PVPing, you'll always drop combat.

    I've also had instances where after a prolonged shadowmeld (20+ secs) without LoS and long range and probably something else, you'll be removed from the threat table, and the boss won't touch you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cywang86 View Post
    You realize the two examples you've given contradicted your first statement right?
    no they didn't. Dropping you out of combat means regardless of the circumstance you are removed from combat. Example, when a rogue vanishes they are *out of combat* even when the rest of their party is busy fighting away, regardless of their position on the threat table. Meaning if for whatever reason they crest the tank on threat, and vanish, they are removed from the table entirely. Perhaps I should said "drops you out of combat" instead of drops you out of combat.

    Yes, shadowmeld has been dropping your out of combat since wrath (except for a brief period in cata? that I can't think of), but its uses have been limited.
    It doesn't drop you out of combat. It used to long ago, allowing you to eat, drink and even bandage while shadowmelded, but somehow this was deemed OP and promptly changed. So long as you are on a threat table and can't eat you're in combat.

    If you're the last player on their threat table, and they're not close enough to see through it, you'll drop combat.
    If you're PVPing, you'll always drop combat.
    Which means basically, if you're not a healer or not doing the absolute worst, most abyssmal dps, you really can't count on it to save you.

    I've also had instances where after a prolonged shadowmeld (20+ secs) without LoS and long range and probably something else, you'll be removed from the threat table, and the boss won't touch you.
    Never had that happen in my experience. What happens is after the boss runs around killing everyone, it runs up to you as if you're not melded at all, and clobbers you; the exceptions being if I've feigned death, gone invisible or vanished prior to shadowmelding (and had a random AoE break those abilities) as those abilities do remove you from the threat table entirely.

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    AFAIK it works like Feign Death in that it doesn't drop combat, it just sets your threat to zero. The behaviour for all(?) PvE mobs (except bosses) is to drop combat when their threat tables only have zeroes in them... so the other people on their tables need to be dead or vanished as well. Having said that, Shadowmeld is a bit flaky, and always has been. On top of that, in the Dread Wastes on certain dailies the combat flag is very sticky.

    FWIW, I've been pulling Shadowmeld + Flightform bullshit on my gatherdruid since at least WotLK... so it definitely can drop combat. YMMV YHBW.

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